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The Glory of God is Intelligence or in other words light and truth

Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:16 AM EST
By Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

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Zion, January 3, 2012

 

The Glory of God is intelligence or in other words light and truth.

 

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 

 

To the Priest of ELKENAH, AKA Jackel

 

I have already had my deadly encounters with you before my dear Coptic friend. I mean the spirit that teaches you lies. You are famous for of people like you it was written foretime with strong emphasis:

 

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:2 - 7)

 

For your information, let me tell you that I write of the things that I know with absolute certainty and not hear say as you do with science and even religion issues. For as science has its particular language so does religion. And you are not at all acquainted with the language of heaven. This is why the Holy Scriptures are foolishness or confusion to you.  And it is because your eyes are closes; and I am here to open them for your damnation unless you speedily repent for getting your nose without proper authority into business that are far from your understanding.

With regards to your reply that says:

“Is that why your religion and GOD would require the Pantheist GOD to even exist? What is higher on the totem pole than Existence itself and its rules? You see, your GOD is easily disproved.. You can't create existence and it's rules.

For it is written that we are all made in the image and likeness of GOD.

Irrelevant because the reality is that we are made of energy, the essence of existence itself. Are you agreeing that existence itself is GOD? Well are you not in and of existence like everything else is? The image and likeness of GOD in reality terms would be us being emergent properties of existence itself, not some magic sky daddy.

And you do understand that the Holy GHost / spirit is reference to the eternal flame. Hence a fire GOD.. It's called the everlasting fire, and if you paid any attention to the bible, that is reference to Yehweh / el shaddai to which is specifically described as a volcano..

You seem to know very little about what you write or copy paste when it comes to the bible sir.”

 

I, Miguel, have this to say:

You cannot back up your rhetoric by sound doctrine, I sense that science and faulty rationalism is robbing you from your light and I am here to try to make you aware of it if you are kind enough to listen or feel the truth of my words. Most of the things that you know have been written and rationalized by men of the world in search for truth. This is why it was also written of people like you with even more emphasis this:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

(New Testament | 2 Timothy 4:3 - 4)

 

Now know also that the knowledge that I impart has been inspired and written by men of GOD who knew and met with the truth. And there is a big difference in knowing about the truth and knowing the truth. And what is the truth? For your information, the truth is the knowledge of things as they are, as they have been and as they are to come. In other words, Jesus Christ is the truth, because he created all things as they are, as they were and as they are to come. And he knows every one of his creations including me and you in all the generations of time.

Now, I have requested from my heavenly father a kind answer for you despite your insufferable blasphemies against the truth.  But know this in advance that all blasphemies against the Father and the son will be forgiven, but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven in this life or in the life to come.  And I have come to give you by the power of the Holy Ghost  in the name of Jesus Christ a final warning to stop speaking evil about the things of God as you have thus far done here and in some of your previous writings. You claim the tile of a Jackal, but you know not that behind that masquerade is the spirit of a filthy hyena if not a fire brand fox.

But, concerning your reply, I write like that cutting and pasting only as a tool because the testimony of one man is not valid and I do not write for myself but in the name of GOD. This is why I back everything I say with the Holy Scriptures which are the testimony of the Holy Ghost. Now, my words per say may vanish away but the holy writ will forever remain. My purpose is to invite all to come unto Christ by way of expounding the scriptures or to shed more light on them by the spirit if truth which is in me for a purpose which wisdom remains with GOD . I am not a learned man at all and I am barely a scribe of the kingdom of heaven on earth and not a writer. But the notes I write and answers I give are binding upon every soul that reads them for they are inspired. And by them many will be judge at the last day. I have been sent to do this for better or worse if you can believe it. It matter not if you believe it or not. It would be nice, but it matters not for the truth is not a respecter of persons.

Be aware also that I do not know much about the pagan or mythological gods that you mention in your responses to me. I see that the devil has a great hold of you. You have even taken upon you the cover of darkness or the spirit of death. This is why you are very popular among the dead. But let me assure you Your knowledge is based on hearsay or myth which is void of plausible statistical substantiation. I have no knowledge of the pagan gods you mention but of the true and living GOD who created heavens and earth and countless worlds like this who are inhabited and have ceased to exist for his works and words never end.

And for you information, I do also have my own particular and intellectual studies in the quantum mechanics intricacies or about the operant forces of the universe, their emergence and their development. Because before I was born I helped to create it and perhaps you were there too. I know things that are beyond the understanding of most people with regards to the makeup of the universe.  But you are playing with fire and I prophesy in the name of Christ that unless you speedily repent you will burn.

Now, I also lack professional credentials; however, I have my own unpublished theories which conform with the fact of truth or the things as they are, as they have been and as they are to come.  Unlike you, I do not only talk about science, but I practice it as much as I can. I have done the unthinkable since my early youth  which is to put gravity to the test or on the lab and completed the unified field theory by discovering the missing links or the things that prevent the world from harmonizing the macro and the micro cosmos understanding that they have and make c complete sense out if it. Imagine what I will then accomplish when I go to school.  All I lack is a firm understanding of the scientific language. But when the world is ready they will be published or by the power that is in that knowledge that emanates from GOD, yet without being published the scientist are already influenced. That is how the spirit of GOD influences us all towards the knowledge of truth.

Now, If I were to talks about these things now, it would be like teaching a six year old child how to create an atomic bomb. Let it suffice it to say that my work is called Project GEL as for Gravitation, Electromagnetism and Light. It explains how the forces of the inverse emanate and operate and bring about the celestial spheres and everything in them.

I admit and I must agree with you in one thing alone. And that is that the elements are eternal or that the essence of matter cannot be either created or destroyed. But the confusion in your mind and in the mind of a great many people is a simple and basic misconception concerning the precise meaning of the word creation or the words created out of the dust and so forth.  Creation for the common perception is to create something out of nothing. You and I and science as we know it do agree that nothing comes from nothing and that there is nothing that is immaterial.  Everything tangible is governed by laws and there are things less tangible against which there is no law such as the power of love. Spirit itself is operant matter or fire as you say, but only more refined and only the purer eyes can detect it or discern it.

Now the word creation as I personally understand it is not to create something out of nothing as most people believe. I myself, a very religious man, do not believe in the theory of Creationism as we know it in the world. Much less I believe in the theory of latent or uniformitarian evolution.  Science in itself is in the lowest sphere of knowledge and understanding for it must forcefully depend on statistical substantiation to confirm the certainty of any ordinary or extraordinary claims.  There are more advanced spheres of understanding that defy the scientific method.

 For me the word creation means precisely to organize or to give form. It is merely to gather things and give form like when a carpenter gathers the needed materials or wood to create a house or a table.  It is as simple as that. And change in the cosmos can take places suddenly or it can be decelerated as opposed to the current scientific dogma. And it can also be manipulated.  All matter is composed or revolves around four fundamental states of reality where there is a combination of opposites that have both dependent and independent inherent associating properties.  Pure spirit has only two properties of progressivity. And the purpose thereof is to attain two more to obtain exaltation. For a combination of matter and spirit brings about a fullness or everlasting joy. The trick is how to make the connection which knowledge remains until today in the bosom of the living GOD.

You and I or our intelligences have always existed. That intelligence was organized and embodied in a spirit form by a greater intelligence and that form coated with a tabernacle of clay or of harsh matter as we are now.  For your information Adam had an umbilical cord too. Life in this planet was placed here from stock parents during creation. ~60 Percent of what was originally written in the book of Genesis is missing or was taken from it due to iniquity. But that knowledge has been restored and it is called the book of Moses. And in there it is explained how the division of the seeds of Adam and Eve propagated. And the LORD has not yet revealed the physical creation of the world, but the spiritual only.  But people for the most part lack the guidance of the spirit and misinterpret the scriptures.  And this I say because of you unassertive conclusions with regards to creations. And the reason you do not want to believe the truth is because the abundance of sin in your life. And the truth hurts the wicked soul.

Now, as I was saying before, some spirits lose properties and are fixed in eternity and others keep growing in mortality and beyond until perfection is fully granted or achieved and they live in celestial burnings. All this that I am telling you is old school knowledge. My ancient fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and tare already resurrected beings and are no longer men or even angels of GOD like me but gods.  They sit and rule upon their own thrones. This is how our father in heaven reached his exaltation and we can also attain it by the merits of his only begotten son, even Jesus Christ who paved the way before us all. Yet many are called and few are chosen. But the plan of salvation is already laid and it is available for all good willed souls to investigate.  It is fun to but it requires faith, discipline, courage and endurance. To corroborate some of my words, here is the law and the testimony:

And the Lord said unto me: Abraham, I show these things unto thee before ye go into Egypt, that ye may declare all these words. If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them; therefore Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me. Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it; and there is nothing that the Lord thy God shall take in his heart to do but what he will do it. Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal. And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all. The Lord thy God sent his angel to deliver thee from the hands of the priest of Elkenah. I dwell in the midst of them all; I now, therefore, have come down unto thee to declare unto thee the works which my hands have made, wherein my wisdom excelleth them all, for I rule in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath, in all wisdom and prudence, over all the intelligences thine eyes have seen from the beginning; I came down in the beginning in the midst of all the intelligences thou hast seen.

 

Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones; And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born. And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell; And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them; And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever. And the Lord said: Whom shall I send?  And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me.  And another answered and said: Here am I, send me.  And the Lord said: I will send the first. And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.

 

(Pearl of Great Price | Abraham 3:15 - 28)

 

…and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

 

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 132:37)

 

And it came to pass that Moses called upon God, saying: Tell me, I pray thee, why these things are so, and by what thou madest them? And behold, the glory of the Lord was upon Moses, so that Moses stood in the presence of God, and talked with him face to face.  And the Lord God said unto Moses: For mine own purpose have I made these things.  Here is wisdom and it remaineth in me. And by the word of my power, have I created them, which is mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth. And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten. And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many. But only an account of this earth, and the inhabitants thereof, give I unto you.  For behold, there are many worlds that have passed away by the word of my power.  And there are many that now stand, and innumerable are they unto man; but all things are numbered unto me, for they are mine and I know them.

 

(Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:30 - 35)

 

Now, you can read the whole cannot of scriptures here http://lds.org/scriptures?lang=eng However, I strongly suggest that you begin by bending the knee and praying to God the Eternal Father for guidance in the name of his son Jesus Christ.  If you begin to exercise faith in Christ with real intent, the spirit of truth will guide you to search your soul and repent of your sins and to go to the waters of baptism to be cleansed in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints. Only then you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost which cannot dwell in impure temples. And that spirit, is going to put you on trial and upon obedience to the laws and commandments of GOD he will guide you into all truth and to the kingdom of heaven so you also can have an indelible testimony in your heart of the knowledge of God like we do. For no carnal man is in enmity with God and the sinful man mind ever knew GOD for the things of God are foolishness to the gentiles or those who seek after signs.

 

 

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise?  where is the scribe?  where is the disputer of this world?  hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 1:17 - 25)

 

 

 

Now these things I write for the honor and glory of God and for the mutual intellectual benefit of you and I upon repentance and obedience to the commandments of GOD and those who will feast upon these words for our eternal joy  in the  kingdom of God  at the last day. Therefore peace be unto you and if it is not wanted, let it promptly return unto me. And I do it solemnly in the name of Jesus Christ Amen,

Attentively an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ

Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

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Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth; And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come; And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning. The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth; And no man receiveth a fulness unless he keepeth his commandments. He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things.

Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence. Behold, here is the agency of man, and here is the condemnation of man; because that which was from the beginning is plainly manifest unto them, and they receive not the light. And every man whose spirit receiveth not the light is under condemnation. For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy; And when separated, man cannot receive a fulness of joy.

The elements are the tabernacle of God; yea, man is the tabernacle of God, even temples; and whatsoever temple is defiled, God shall destroy that temple. The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth. Light and truth forsake that evil one. Every spirit of man was innocent in the beginning; and God having redeemed man from the fall, men became again, in their infant state, innocent before God. And that wicked one cometh and taketh away light and truth, through disobedience, from the children of men, and because of the tradition of their fathers. But I have commanded you to bring up your children in light and truth.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:23 - 40)

    Reply#1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM EST
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    katrix

    But the notes I write and answers I give are binding upon every soul that reads them for they are inspired. And by them many will be judge at the last day. I have been sent to do this for better or worse if you can believe it.

    So you're Jesus, apparently? Strange, I wasn't aware that the second coming had occurred. I don't think that will work out too well for you, it violates much of what your bible tells you. What you said about blasphemy and yet you're so blatantly committing it. And I don't understand why you brag about not learning anything about the religions from which Christianity got most of its concepts.

    All I lack is a firm understanding of the scientific language.

    And the scientific method, apparently.

    Because before I was born I helped to create it

    Wow. Just wow. More delusions of being Jesus.

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    Reply#3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM EST
    Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

    IT is no mystery. The father, the son and I are one, for I am a son of God, like Jesus Christ, and My name is Miguel Angel and not Jesus, but I am not the light. This similarity that I am able to stand against the wicked as my father in heaven is what appears so repulsive to the wicked and unbelievers. Yet I speak with proper authority for I am a duly called, ordained and appointed priest and minister. If you believed in Christ, you would believe in the words I write, for they are not my words but the words of Christ. And I act and write with proper authority not of myself but of Christ to bear witness of the truth or of the Father and of the Son. For, I was just sent to bear witness of the light, but as the scriptures do make manifest the light shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not. And for your knowledge and sorrow, I have been given power to zeal both the unbelieving and the rebellious unto damnation until the day of redemption. If you do not believe, it matters not. The words have already been spoken by the LORD. If you want to see them read along and you will see for yourselves. For of this it is written and my testimony is no different than the ones below:

    And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    (New Testament | John 1:5 - 13)

    For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated. And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, and their secret acts shall be revealed.

    And the voice of warning shall be unto all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days. And they shall go forth and none shall stay them, for I the Lord have commanded them. Behold, this is mine authority, and the authority of my servants, and my preface unto the book of my commandments, which I have given them to publish unto you, O inhabitants of the earth.

    Wherefore, fear and tremble, O ye people, for what I the Lord have decreed in them shall be fulfilled. And verily I say unto you, that they who go forth, bearing these tidings unto the inhabitants of the earth, to them is power given to seal both on earth and in heaven, the unbelieving and rebellious; Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure— Unto the day when the Lord shall come to recompense unto every man according to his work, and measure to every man according to the measure which he has measured to his fellow man. Wherefore the voice of the Lord is unto the ends of the earth, that all that will hear may hear: Prepare ye, prepare ye for that which is to come, for the Lord is nigh; And the anger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth.

    (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 1:2 - 13)

    What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same. For behold, and lo, the Lord is God, and the Spirit beareth record, and the record is true, and the truth abideth forever and ever. Amen.

    (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 1:38 - 39)

    You have been properly served a reward in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

      #3.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:29 PM EST
      katrix

      LMAO more Jesus delusions. Sorry, dude, but you don't have the power to damn anyone but yourself - and you seem to be doing a good job of that by placing yourself on an equal level with Jesus. That violates so many things the bible says. God says he has some pretty atrocious punishments reserved for people like you, so I hope you repent before it's too late.

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      #3.2 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:53 PM EST
      Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

      Please, name and number some of those purported violations you so fragantly indicate. The fact that I have encountered such an opposition for the truth sake validates undeniably the truth or the word is good and nothing that is good denies the Christ. You have no authority to preach repentance whatsoever. That in itself violates the law of the holy priesthood of GOD and makes you an usurper of authority, a false prophet or at the very least a false teacher, for no one takes upon himself this honor but he that is called of God as was Aaron. And I have the credentials to prove it all the ways to very hands of John the Baptist or Jesus Christ for that matter. But the word I speak suffices. For it is written:

      and no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

      (New Testament | Hebrews 5:4 - 6)

      And in fact, I am called as Aaron for I did not chose myself but the LORD called me in his church. And I am working way below my call of duty and do not trespass the law. For what I do is the duty of a priest under the authority of the Order or Aaron which is to administer in the temporal affairs of the kingdom of God and to administer the word of the gospel. I have even had the ministering of angels. And if that were not enough for you, I also hold the Melchizedeck priesthood which duty and commission is something way beyond your understanding. Now, speaking without boasting this also makes me a high priest for I am an elder in that order. Now tell me, who is violating what and who needs to repent here me or you? Will the birds shoot back at the rifle or the ax will turn against he that uses it? All the scriptures are open for instruction and reproof in front of me and I can do this all day, but you can only rely on your own meager wisdom. Now, if you knew who is now speaking to you, you would put the word on your mouth and save yourself further condemnation. Again, I say unto you my words are binding and the LORD will not be mocked.

      Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

      Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

      (Old Testament | Isaiah 29:13 - 16)

      If you have no better things to do I suggest you stop drinking condemnation to your soul. Perhaps so you may mitigate some of the misery that you will suffer when you sleep unless you speedily repent and amend your ways. Even so amen.

        #3.3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:47 PM EST
        Memory-800098

        Drinking condemnation, Is this a special at Happy Hour LOL You have been properly served Katrix.. Cheers!

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        #3.4 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:55 PM EST
        katrix

        LOL Memory! I hope it tastes like white wine, I don't like red wine much. This Jesus complex stuff is weird. I've never seen anyone before this who thinks he's Jesus. And he claims direct desendence from a guy who supposedly never even got laid? I hope he gets the help he needs.

        I wonder, is directly threatening someone with condemnation and misery - meaning that the author himself claims to be able to condemn me - a CoH violation? Heehee! I guess since it's all bull@!$%#, it isn't. Now if he really could carry out his threats, that would be a different matter.

        Miguel, the word you speak doesn't suffice. It is a bunch of babbling about your being a false prophet. Repent now. Repent, I say to ye! The bible warns against putting yourself in Jesus' place and this is such clear blasphemy that I shudder when I think of the misery you are bringing on to yourself. I DO know who is speaking to me - someone with delusions of being Jesus, so pardon me if I can't do more than laugh hysterically.

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        #3.5 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:16 PM EST
        gordy327

        IT is no mystery. The father, the son and I are one, for I am a son of God

        [Cue Twighlight Zone theme here]

        This similarity that I am able to stand against the wicked as my father in heaven is what appears so repulsive to the wicked and unbelievers.

        Repulsive? No. Uttery Laughable? Yes!

        Yet I speak with proper authority for I am a duly called, ordained and appointed priest and minister.

        You also forgot delusional.

        And I act and write with proper authority not of myself but of Christ to bear witness of the truth or of the Father and of the Son. For, I was just sent to bear witness of the lightSee my prior statement above.

        See my prior statement above!

        If you believed in Christ, you would believe in the words I write, for they are not my words but the words of Christ.

        But I don't so I don't!

        but as the scriptures do make manifest the light shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not.

        Maybe because the "darkness" prefers logic and uunderstanding, which yo0ur "light" apparently lacks.

        I have been given power to zeal both the unbelieving and the rebellious unto damnation until the day of redemption.

        Do you have a badge or permit from god himself authorizing this?

        The words have already been spoken by the LORD

        Prove there is a god!

        You have no authority to preach repentance whatsoever.

        You have no authority to speak for god either!

        That in itself violates the law of the holy priesthood of GOD

        Good thing god doesn't make our laws or have any place in them!

        And I have the credentials to prove it all the ways to very hands of John the Baptist or Jesus Christ for that matter.

        Present it then! This should be good for a laugh.

        And if that were not enough for you, I also hold the Melchizedeck priesthood which duty and commission is something way beyond your understanding.

        And we're supposed to accept this because...why? Because you say so? ROTFLMAO!

        Now, if you knew who is now speaking to you, you would put the word on your mouth and save yourself further condemnation.

        Is that supposed to be some kind of threat?

        If you have no better things to do I suggest you stop drinking condemnation to your soul.

        You're right. I do have better things to do. I have a new book by Richard Dawkins to read: "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Case for Evolution." I finished reading "The God Delusion." Good book!

        Perhaps so you may mitigate some of the misery that you will suffer when you sleep unless you speedily repent and amend your ways.

        Misery? On the contrary, I'm quite happy. And I didn't even need a god for it. Go figure!

        Drinking condemnation, Is this a special at Happy Hour LOL

        Sounds more like a special brand of 'Kool Aid.' Seems like our friend Miguel here has imbibed a little too much of it too. LOL

        I hope he gets the help he needs

        Somehow, I think it's alittle too late for that.

        • 6 votes
        #3.6 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:57 PM EST
        Memory-800098

        katrix it is an entertaining thread indeed, but sadly the author seems to be serious. I often find it ironic that atheists, agnostics, and pantheists ( my bro Artie) are better informed of the biblical teachings. This sermon has actually taken me aback to the mindset of a few of the Southern Baptists extremists I dealt with which is not a pretty reflection.

        I will gladly order you a White wine, but after reading through all this I believe I will pour myself a nice Pendleton Whiskey with a fresh slice orange and soda =) Cheers raise your glass to sanity!

        • 6 votes
        #3.7 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:21 PM EST
        TheJackel

        * If you believed in Christ, you would believe in the words I write, for they are not my words but the words of Christ.

        * IT is no mystery. The father, the son and I are one, for I am a son of God

        I am either smelling an internet troll playing an attention game on Newsvine for the fun of it, or I am quite curious of how one reconciles conflicting delusions that contradict each other. :/ .. I have a sneaky feeling this person isn't serious, but surely interesting to say the least. o.O


        • 7 votes
        #3.8 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:01 PM EST
        katrix

        I really want to see the proof of geneology, having a pretty extensively researched family tree myself. But since the line of descent is delusional, I don't expect to see it. Not to mention the permit from God that allows him to "zeal" people, although the last time I looked, "zeal" was a noun. My mom is visiting and she's an ordained deacon with paperwork to prove it - I just asked, and she has never seen the application to get one of those permits.

        *sips wine* toast, Memory!

        gordy - nice responses! You saved me the trouble, thanks friend!

        • 6 votes
        #3.9 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:07 PM EST
        gordy327

        but surely interesting to say the least

        "Intersting" isn't the first term I'd use. Laughable might be more appropriate. Or pathetic. I haven't decided which yet.

        gordy - nice responses!

        Thank you kat. You too.

        You saved me the trouble, thanks friend!

        My pleasure. :)

        • 5 votes
        #3.10 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM EST
        belle42

        point of reference:

        you DO realize that the Second Coming refers to multiple orgasms, right?

        • 4 votes
        #3.11 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:01 PM EST
        ombra

        Yup, can tell Belle is here... LOL

        • 3 votes
        #3.12 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:04 PM EST
        belle42

        ombra -- I made a less sexual comment below if you prefer :P

        • 3 votes
        #3.13 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:05 PM EST
        Mary-471639

        belle42,

        LOL....2 thumbs up from Mary and Mary.

        • 3 votes
        #3.14 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:35 PM EST
        Reply
        Artie-3438207

        There are more advanced spheres of understanding that defy the scientific method.

        And deny scientific fact as well, no doubt.

        And the reason you do not want to believe the truth is because the abundance of sin in your life.

        I must be very sinful indeed.

        And the truth hurts the wicked soul.

        Funny, I don't feel a thing.

        It is fun to but it requires faith, discipline, courage and endurance.

        And a large helping of denial.

        • 5 votes
        #4 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM EST
        katrix

        Isn't it amazing that Joseph Smith never managed to show anyone else these golden tablets he claimed to have found? Kind of like Moses' stone tablets.

        Do Pastafarians have any type of tablet where they got their message from His Holy Noodliness? Because if not, we need to add something like that - false religions seem to rely on that type of thing. People just love to believe in something someone claims to have found.

        The Universal Compass looks a lot like a Gartner Magic Quadrant to me.

        • 5 votes
        #4.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:03 PM EST
        Artie-3438207

        The Universal Compass looks a lot like a Gartner Magic Quadrant to me.

        :D I had to look that one up! (U have such a delightful wit katrix-pure pleasure:)

        • 3 votes
        #4.2 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:43 PM EST
        Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

        I was looking fishes but instead I found Mocking Birds.

        I SPEAK and also his FROM HEAVEN.

        There are facts that are temporal and facts that are eternal. The time is nigh at hand when the heavens and earth will shake before your feet inasmuch that you will not be able to stand and if you live or die through it you will see a great shaking that will remove those things that are shaken so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

        Just wait a little and you will both see and feel….in the mean time this is the word of the Lord unto you.

        For the day cometh that the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven; the heavens shall shake and the earth shall tremble, and the trump of God shall sound both long and loud, and shall say to the sleeping nations: Ye saints arise and live; ye sinners stay and sleep until I shall call again.

        Wherefore gird up your loins lest ye be found among the wicked. Lift up your voices and spare not. Call upon the nations to repent, both old and young, both bond and free, saying:

        Prepare yourselves for the great day of the Lord; For if I, who am a man, do lift up my voice and call upon you to repent, and ye hate me, what will ye say when the day cometh when the thunders shall utter their voices from the ends of the earth, speaking to the ears of all that live, saying—Repent, and prepare for the great day of the Lord? Yea, and again, when the lightnings shall streak forth from the east unto the west, and shall utter forth their voices unto all that live, and make the ears of all tingle that hear, saying these words—Repent ye, for the great day of the Lord is come? And again, the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven, saying: Hearken, O ye nations of the earth, and hear the words of that God who made you. O, ye nations of the earth, how often would I have gathered you together as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, but ye would not. How oft have I called upon you by the mouth of my servants, and by the ministering of angels, and by mine own voice, and by the voice of thunderings, and by the voice of lightnings, and by the voice of tempests, and by the voice of earthquakes, and great hailstorms, and by the voice of famines and pestilences of every kind, and by the great sound of a trump, and by the voice of judgment, and by the voice of mercy all the day long, and by the voice of glory and honor and the riches of eternal life, and would have saved you with an everlasting salvation, but ye would not! Behold, the day has come, when the cup of the wrath of mine indignation is full. Behold, verily I say unto you, that these are the words of the Lord your God.

        (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 43:18 - 27)

        See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

        (New Testament | Hebrews 12:25 - 27)

        These things I speak for your shame and sorrow with proper authority in the Holy name of Jesus Christ Amen.

          #4.3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:46 PM EST
          katrix

          Artie - now that you've looked it up, it would be interesting to see how the various religions and sects would fit into a magic quadrant! But we'd have to use different criteria, such as ranking them on delusions vs facts, atrocities vs goodness, and so on.

          • 4 votes
          #4.4 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:50 PM EST
          Artie-3438207

          I was looking fishes but instead I found Mocking Birds.

          Or flying fish, perhaps?

          and ye hate me

          Well, that's a bit of a stretch of your imagination.

          Behold, the day has come, when the cup of the wrath of mine indignation is full. Behold, verily I say unto you, that these are the words of the Lord your God.

          No more Mr. Nice Guy, hmmm? I see your true colors now.

          These things I speak for your shame and sorrow with proper authority in the Holy name of Jesus Christ Amen.

          There, I fixed it. Otherwise, not very Christian of you, is it...tsk tsk.

          • 4 votes
          #4.5 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST
          Artie-3438207

          But we'd have to use different criteria, such as ranking them on delusions vs facts, atrocities vs goodness, and so on.

          katrix-You are inspired! The well-spring flows freely!

          We know how this one ranks ('/*\') ...God is angry with me...

          • 5 votes
          #4.6 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:19 PM EST
          gordy327

          I was looking fishes but instead I found Mocking Birds.

          Maybe because your posts just beg to be mocked!

          I SPEAK and also his FROM HEAVEN.

          Well, there's your first mistake. You spoke.

          There are facts that are temporal and facts that are eternal.

          Wrong on both counts. I'd say you don't really know any facts, much less what facts are.

          The time is nigh at hand when the heavens and earth will shake before your feet inasmuch that you will not be able to stand and if you live or die through it you will see a great shaking that will remove those things that are shaken so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

          Ooohh. a threat from your cosmic boogeyman that doesn't even exist. How pathetic!

          in the mean time this is the word of the Lord unto you.

          Blah blah blah, yawn yawn, zzzzz...

          • 7 votes
          #4.7 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:01 PM EST
          VerbalBarb

          Do Pastafarians have any type of tablet where they got their message from His Holy Noodliness? Because if not, we need to add something like that

          Yes, there should be something; surely, written or inscribed on week-old garlic bread.

          • 5 votes
          #4.8 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 4:15 PM EST
          katrix

          Written in properly aged parmesan, I assume?

          I'm starting my own religion/cult, with help from some other 'viners. I'll try to write a joint article with them soon. We've already figured out who we'll disdain (we have to have someone to look down on, but we won't curse them or anything), but I don't think we've discussed our sacrament. Pasta is a little too fattening for me, for the way it tastes - if we're going for fattening, it should at least be chocolate or wine or something. If you choose the sacrament for us, you can be one of the priests. But we won't have high priests; we aren't that snobby. At least we don't think we are; we're really just making this up as we go along, in case you can't tell. We have decided on comfortable clothes or skyclad, no special outfits.

          • 2 votes
          #4.9 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:13 AM EST
          katrix

          Oh and cool hats are not required but encouraged.

          • 5 votes
          #4.10 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:17 AM EST
          Abby.

          cool hats are not required but encouraged.

          Ooh...I look good in hats!
          :D

          • 3 votes
          #4.11 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:17 AM EST
          Dennis P McCann

          They have some really cool hats here. Ottoman stuff that they sell in the tourist shops. I almost bought one of these (don't know why they show it on a female mannequin, it's actually a man's hat).

          And I have one like this. The mother of one of my students brought it for me from Mecca.

          • 3 votes
          #4.12 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:23 AM EST
          katrix

          Those are cool, but some of us might prefer fascinators, now that we know what they are (why would you want to wear your hat on your forehead?). Plus wearing something like that in the summer would suck. Can't listen to Springsteen if you can't roll down the window and let the wind blow back your hair.

          If you rolled down your window, and your fascinator blew off and hit a pedestrian and took their eye out, would you be legally liable?

          • 5 votes
          #4.13 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:28 AM EST
          Dennis P McCann

          If you want the wind to blow back your hair, lose the hat.

          That top one is a summer hat. The thing in the back keeps the sun off your neck. The other one is a Muslim prayer hat. She also brought me a prayer rug and a beaded thing - the Islamic version of a rosary. I think maybe she was trying to tell me something.

          I never heard of a fascinator. You mean these?

          • 2 votes
          #4.14 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 3:33 AM EST
          Abby.

          :D

          • 2 votes
          #4.15 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 5:39 AM EST
          grump in NM

          Dennis, those are nasty. Why would someone put dead animal parts on their head?

            #4.16 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:41 PM EST
            Dennis P McCann

            dunno, man. I think it's supposed to be fascinating.

              #4.17 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:31 PM EST
              Reply
              Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

              The coordinates to eternal life and salvation as represented in the four states of reality in the universal compass are not meant to be understood by all. If a picture is worth a thousand words, this drawing alone represents as ten thousand. It is solid proof of the very existence of GOD and the truth about the universe in simple mathematical terms. Knowing how to use this compass you can prove the truth or fallacy of anything. However, verily I say unto you that even if the LORD would send Moses or Joseph Smith from the dead to tell you about these things and show you all things, you will still be stiff-necked and will not believe. Remember the old parable of Jesus Christ which says.

              There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

              (New Testament | Luke 16:19 - 31)

              Whether you believe it or not, I receive this information to give unto you right this minute just by looking at the compass singularity between its four dimensions. But for that you need to be a prophet, a seer and a revelator.

                Reply#5 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:01 PM EST
                katrix

                Whether you believe it or not, I receive this information to give unto you right this minute just by looking at the compass singularity between its four dimensions. But for that you need to be a prophet, a seer and a revelator.

                Well, at least you've proven the bible correct about the existence of false prophets.

                • 5 votes
                #5.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:26 PM EST
                Memory-800098

                I am embarrassed to admit I have a relative who chanted similar statements and ended up in a nice gated community where all wear matching gowns and are very heavily sedated. Just a friendly warning Miguel.

                • 8 votes
                #5.2 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:39 PM EST
                katrix

                Yeah, my crystal ball tells me that's a distinct possibility. Maybe he'll repent and save himself from that fate.

                • 5 votes
                #5.3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:18 PM EST
                Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                Memory, I truly appreciate your heart felt concern, for you would not say it if it was not so. Do not be embarrassed for your friend. It may have been too much for him if he was not a dully called and ordained priest. But let me assure you that I have already been there and also incarcerated all against my will, yet never convicted of anything for the truth sake, not necessarily by strangers but by my own. I feel for your friend. And I would appreciate a clue of his name so I can pray for him. I want something good to come out of this if those who have eyes to see cannot see so that the scriptures are fulfilled which say:

                The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

                (Old Testament | Isaiah 9:2)

                But be assured that I do not cry or even raise my voice in the streets, no one has heard my voice indeed, for I do not bruise a reed not put out a smoking flax. I came to bring judgment unto the gentiles and unto the truth and I will not be discouraged until I do so, for the LORD will not give me rest. By reasons that I do not completely understand, the LORD has put his very own spirit upon me and has made me his servant. My inspiration comes directly from heaven; it does not come from delusions or false pretenses, much less evil spirits. I understand the risk I am in for it most strange that I have come to this crossing in these latter days. But it all comes with the territory of the profession. I really enjoy doing these things, even when at times my belly turns bitter with the reprehension of the LORD. Only that I am for real. If it comes to that of being in a strait jacket and marred more or being heavily sedated with deadly substances, let it be so, which I will even glory or taken pleasure in infirmities, in persecution, in incarcerations, in reproaches and in necessities in Christ like Paul did. Remember this for the gospel we preach is the same and the results are almost always the same:

                Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing. Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

                (New Testament | 2 Corinthians 12:10 - 12)

                Not only that, but it is nothing for me to be in bonds for the truth’s sake when I am more than ready to offer my very own life for it, as the originals witnesses of Jesus Christ did, the Lord willing. And this I say because I have both heard and seen him. Even If I could, I cannot turn back because to this end was I born. I was commanded to exercise my ability to write both in Spanish and in English and in any other language that I desired. And this is what the LORD told me also that he expecting me to do these very things. Hopefully I am not behind my job. Not only that but this also, first that the devil will do his utmost to destroy me and also that:

                …there will be many who are opposed to the principles of righteousness which you espouse. You will be given by the LORD words and thought that will confound those who are opposed to you, and you will cause them to quake and tremble, for they will see that you speak with the authority of our father in heaven.

                My job and that of my children is to prepare the way of the LORD before the second coming. I am just leading the way. At the very least you are a good candidate for a witness that I was here. Yet, it will give more joy if you investigate the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints with real intent and receive your blessings so that we meet in heaven also. A great many of them know that I do this, at my own peril but some of them also fear that I may not be for real as the original Apostles originally thought of Paul. But they have been told by the chi chiefest of them that we are in this together. And that is my comfort thus far. And Why do I do it? I do it because I am working my own salvation with fear and trembling so I can get the price. Doing the scriptures not only reading them and hearing them. That is all.

                Attentively, your an unworthy servant in the hands of Chrisrt.

                Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                  #5.4 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:30 PM EST
                  Memory-800098

                  Now I do have true concern for you Miguel since you stated you have children. It is my sincere hope you allow your children free thought and do not indoctrinate them to believe as you do.

                  • 6 votes
                  #5.5 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:25 PM EST
                  katrix

                  Hopefully by "children" he means his congregation, assuming he really has one. I doubt that he does. If he does have kids, I hope social services is taking a good look and makes him get help.

                  • 6 votes
                  #5.6 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:09 PM EST
                  gordy327

                  If he does have kids

                  If he does, I feel sorry for them. Talk about your indoctrination and mental abuse.

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.7 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:14 PM EST
                  Reply
                  Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                  Catrix, are you listening or at the very least paying attention to the words you are saying to the spirit of GOD which does speak to you all? Do you know what hour this is? This is about the sixth hour according to our manner of reckoning the time. You should fear and tremble for what you have done. This is not a joking matter. You just sealed your own fate by your own making by saying or uttering the very same thing that one of the malefactors told Jesus when he was on the Cross besides him during the crucifixion. This is what you said:

                  "Yeah, my crystal ball tells me that's a distinct possibility. Maybe he'll repent and save himself from that fate."

                  Does not this testify unto you of the perils of the time that you have done or would do exactly the same thing as those malefactors had you been crucified with Christ. This is your predicament. You are a malefactor. Verily I say unto you that Memory and or his friend who was committed will be with me in paradise while you will rot in hell when you depart this world and all these words will hunt you down unto bitter crying and supplication, for you have denied the words of Christ as directed by the Holy Ghost. Here is the testimony:

                  And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

                  But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

                  (New Testament | Luke 23:39 - 44)

                  Have I missed anything? let the LORD judge between me and thee and rebuke you. FOR i have preacehd unto you righteousness.

                    #6 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST
                    katrix

                    You aren't the spirit of God, dude. This testifies unto me that you're delusional, and you're the last person in the world who could make me fear or tremble. But keep threatening, it seems to make you feel powerful instead of making you realize just how ridiculous you sound when you claim to be a god. You're probably spluttering in outrage right about now.

                    Actually, Memory will be with me, if there is an afterlife - and we'll wave at you as you get your punishment for being a false prophet. Repent, dude. I'd spout all the bible quotes at you that warn about doing what you're doing, but it would be a waste of time. Repent NOW or burn eternally. The fiery furnace is licking at your toes, Miguel. It's coming for you and you won't like the eternal suffering you're going to face for your hubris, false pride and blasphemy. Unlike you, I'm not nasty enough to say you've sealed your fate - there is still time for you repent, CAN YOU SAY JESUS, oh Lord, save Miguel from your eternal wrath for his sins of blasphemy.

                    • 6 votes
                    #6.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:01 PM EST
                    gordy327

                    This testifies unto me that you're delusional

                    That's the understatement of the year katrix. And the year's just started too. :P

                    But keep threatening, it seems to make you feel powerful instead of making you realize just how ridiculous you sound when you claim to be a god.

                    It also makes him look foolish and pathetic!

                    let the LORD judge between me and thee and rebuke you.

                    And the Flying Spagheti Monster will give you and your lord a wet noodle bitch slap! :D

                    • 6 votes
                    #6.2 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM EST
                    Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                    Oh this wicked and perverse generation, how long do you think that the Lord will suffer you? We will see if your vain words come to pass. I will hold you to your word in the name of Jesus Christ so they can fall upon your very own head. You are a son of the devil a generation of vipers and you are not going to escape the damnation of hell.

                    Depart from me Satan and Let the LORD rebuke thee for all your unkind deeds and bind you up for a thousand years. You have come to me as the disputer of this world. Now do remember this that it was you came to my net and not me to you. It is your hubris not mine. I am just doing my duty and my intent was to bless and comfort a great many people not to seal you time and again to damnation, but I have done so because you have insisted time and again. Don’t you remember when you were cast out from heaven in the beginning and who did it? Why is it that you hate me so much and why do you seek to kill me?

                    And for you all, listen carefully. I am here also to reprove the world for their evil deeds by the power of God which is in me, but the devil has taken a great hold of your hearts that you do not have space in it for the least portion of truth. And believe it or not, I stand by the words I have said in the name of Christ and I deny them not for he will justify them. It is you who rejected the truth as it is as it was and as it is to come.

                    The only way Memory would be with you is if he chooses misery over salvation for misery likes the company of misery. Why do you think I take the words of Christ and also of his very deeds as if I was him? And you hate me for it. It is because I have taken upon me the name of Christ and I am not ashamed of his gospel, the truth or his doctrines. You have also denied the power of GOD. Don’t you know that the doctrine he preached was the doctrine of the Father? Have you not read the scriptures? Do not they testify of me also? Did not the LORD said it himself? Here are his words both in ancient times and nowadays so you damnation is made sure and I abolish it not for this is my commission. Don’t you see that it is by the power of GOD that I am able to withstand you in every word with the word of Christ? Don’t you know that this is the way he manifest himself to the gentiles. And why it is so. Because in no time or place it is written that you shall see him and hear his voice, except by the power of the Holy Ghost.

                    And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been the Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through their preaching. And they understood me not that I said they shall hear my voice; and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at any time hear my voice—that I should not manifest myself unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost.

                    (Book of Mormon | 3 Nephi 15:22 - 23)

                    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

                    (New Testament | John 16:7 - 15)

                    Neither take ye thought beforehand what ye shall say; but treasure up in your minds continually the words of life, and it shall be given you in the very hour that portion that shall be meted unto every man. Therefore, let no man among you, for this commandment is unto all the faithful who are called of God in the church unto the ministry, from this hour take purse or scrip, that goeth forth to proclaim this gospel of the kingdom.

                    Behold, I send you out to reprove the world of all their unrighteous deeds, and to teach them of a judgment which is to come. And whoso receiveth you, there I will be also, for I will go before your face. I will be on your right hand and on your left, and my Spirit shall be in your hearts, and mine angels round about you, to bear you up.

                    (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 84:85 - 88)

                    Nevertheless, let the bishop go unto the city of New York, also to the city of Albany, and also to the city of Boston, and warn the people of those cities with the sound of the gospel, with a loud voice, of the desolation and utter abolishment which await them if they do reject these things. For if they do reject these things the hour of their judgment is nigh, and their house shall be left unto them desolate. Let him trust in me and he shall not be confounded; and a hair of his head shall not fall to the ground unnoticed. And verily I say unto you, the rest of my servants, go ye forth as your circumstances shall permit, in your several callings, unto the great and notable cities and villages, reproving the world in righteousness of all their unrighteous and ungodly deeds, setting forth clearly and understandingly the desolation of abomination in the last days. For, with you saith the Lord Almighty, I will rend their kingdoms; I will not only shake the earth, but the starry heavens shall tremble. For I, the Lord, have put forth my hand to exert the powers of heaven; ye cannot see it now, yet a little while and ye shall see it, and know that I am, and that I will come and reign with my people. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Amen.

                    (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 84:114 - 120)

                      #6.3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM EST
                      gordy327

                      Save your proselytization for church dude! No one is buying that BS here.

                      • 5 votes
                      #6.4 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:21 PM EST
                      katrix

                      You are a son of the devil

                      Wow, now I got a sex change operation? And I think Memory did too.

                      Let the LORD rebuke thee for all your unkind deeds and bind you up for a thousand years.

                      More silly threats - yet you claim to be holy.

                      I am just doing my duty and my intent was to bless and comfort a great many people not to seal you time and again to damnation

                      You don't have the power to seal me to anything, much less damnation. You're a human, dude, not a god.

                      Why do you think I take the words of Christ and also of his very deeds as if I was him?

                      Because you're delusional, of course. You're a false prophet that the bible warned us about, and verily I say unto ye REPENT before you burn in the fiery furnance for your blasphemy. Jesus just told me he is really, really pissed off that you're pretending to be him. The bible also tells us of the punishments you will face as a false prophet, so you'd better be very scared of the wrath you've called down upon yourself. Unless you need help, and then Jesus will pity you - he does help those with sicknesses they can't help.

                      • 6 votes
                      #6.5 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:18 PM EST
                      Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                      Gordy, think..I am here becaue you came here and the point is to preach the gospel to the wicked and the perverse for the whole have no need of a doctor. Can't you see that I am in the perfect place. "THE WORLD."The ones at church already went to the motions. It is you all who need spiritual help.

                        #6.6 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:01 PM EST
                        gordy327

                        ..I am here becaue you came here

                        Uh no. You are here because you came here to spew your tripe on your own accord.

                        and the point is to preach the gospel to the wicked and the perverse for the whole have no need of a doctor.

                        Sounds more like an excuse to intrude on other peoples business while on top of a personal pedestool so you can feel smug about yourself.

                        Can't you see that I am in the perfect place.

                        Self delusion does sem perfect from the deluded one's point of view. Kind of like mentally going to your "happy place" when faced with some hardship.

                        It is you all who need spiritual help.

                        I think you and I have a very different idea of what spirituality is.

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.7 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:13 PM EST
                        dakaiser11

                        personal pedestool

                        he he. perfect. a pedestal for a tool, perhaps? or maybe a pedastal made of stool (fecal version).

                        • 4 votes
                        #6.8 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 12:14 AM EST
                        gordy327

                        or maybe a pedastal made of stool (fecal version).

                        That's what he's spewing out now. Reminds me of the South Park episode where people start literally crapping out of their mouths. That epside was also centered around religion. :D

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.9 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 12:34 AM EST
                        katrix

                        Miguel, we're here because you attempted to write a direct response to something the Jackel said, where you threw out unenlighted tripe such as this:

                        You claim the tile of a Jackal, but you know not that behind that masquerade is the spirit of a filthy hyena if not a fire brand fox.

                        and then, instead of debating him, you proceeded to tell us that you're Jesus and go off on some blathering weird preachy stuff, announcing that you personally can condemn us to hell and committing all sorts of blasphemy.

                        If it weren't for that, most of us would have passed your article by as we normally do. I don't think you'll have to worry about traffic on future articles that you write after this.

                        • 4 votes
                        #6.10 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 12:52 AM EST
                        dakaiser11

                        If it weren't for that, most of us would have passed your article by as we normally do. I don't think you'll have to worry about traffic on future articles that you write after this.

                        The only reason I commented on it at all was because I thought "pedastool" was hilarious. I don't know if it was an accident or not, but it is perfect in so many ways. Now I can't stop thinking about mini-me on a stool.

                        With permission, I think I'm going to start using that word myself. What do you say Gordy?

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.11 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 1:05 AM EST
                        katrix

                        It is perfect and thanks for getting it stuck in MY mind too! I wish I could remember who first used the term "scripture trolling" in here. I borrowed it and find it quite handy.

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.12 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 1:07 AM EST
                        Memory-800098

                        I returned with the popcorn and spit a few kernels out Katrix over the sex change LOL Then again we must not forget Miguel is preaching the good gospel and the Bible is beyond sexist. Isn't sad how a religion can swallow someone whole and not allow them to think on their own?

                        The scripture trolling is perfect. I thought for a while we might have a Winter Break college student toying with us just for jollies. Unfortunately, after reading Miguel's history I believe he is on a mission to save us from our wickedness.

                        Popcorn anyone?

                        • 6 votes
                        #6.13 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 1:26 AM EST
                        gordy327

                        With permission, I think I'm going to start using that word myself. What do you say Gordy?

                        Sure, go ahead. For once, my lousy spelling worked. LOL

                        (Note to self: proof read before posting) :D

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.14 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 1:45 AM EST
                        katrix

                        Haha gordy! Just figure out how to make the copyright or trademark symbol and we'll all be happy to attach it - NOT (SRO knows how to do that stuff, but I don't).

                        (Note to self: proof read before posting) :D

                        Sometimes it's more fun when you don't!

                        Memory - isn't that funny? But he thinks you're worthy of saving, so maybe you should run with it. He wants you to witness or something! I'll take some popcorn to watch that!

                        Regarding Mormons. I had a really hard time with the temple thing - after we visited it on a field trip when it was first built, they tore out the carpets and stuff that we defiled before using it as a place of worship. I view them as Christians because they fit the definition, and Joseph Smith is no harder to grasp than Moses, or anything that defines the various sects. But I only know a few Mormons, and they don't come across as anywhere NEAR as delusional and judgmental as this article. I guess when I put out my call for Messianic Jews on NV to explain their viewpoints, I'll have to ask for Mormons on a separate article. I'd hate to have all Mormons judged by this article if it doesn't represent that sect properly.

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.15 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 1:56 AM EST
                        TheJackel

                        (Note to self: proof read before posting) :D

                        LOL, this is a chronic problem with me.. I say that all the time, and I never seem to do it until a have the few minutes to edit lol

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.16 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 2:11 AM EST
                        gordy327

                        Sometimes it's more fun when you don't!

                        I guess so. But do you know what is really funny? My one little typo seems to have had a greater positive impact than all of Miguel's rants put together. Or maybe I'm just stroking my own ego now. :P

                        I say that all the time, and I never seem to do it until a have the few minutes to edit lol

                        Welcome to my world. My case is made worse because not only am I a lousy speller, but I can't type worth a dam. I'm a 2-fingered typist, lol

                        In fact, looking over my posts, I just found another typo. dammit! :D

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.17 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 2:11 AM EST
                        katrix

                        My one little typo seems to have had a greater positive impact than all of Miguel's rants put together. Or maybe I'm just stroking my own ego now

                        That isn't ego, that's fact. You actually made us think.

                        I'm a 2-fingered typist, lol

                        Better than a one handed typist, if you get my drift.

                        • 4 votes
                        #6.18 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 2:25 AM EST
                        dakaiser11

                        Hoorah for fortunate accidents!

                        Boo for crazy theologists!

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.19 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 2:49 AM EST
                        gordy327

                        You actually made us think.

                        Thank you. :)

                        Better than a one handed typist, if you get my drift.

                        Heh heh. :P

                        Boo for crazy theologists!

                        I second your booing and raise you a thumbs down for crazy theologists! :D

                        • 3 votes
                        #6.20 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 8:35 AM EST
                        Dennis P McCann

                        You are a son of the devil

                        I guarantee you she is not my son.

                        • 6 votes
                        #6.21 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST
                        belle42

                        Oh awesome, you're quoting the Book of Mormon? You've seen the show I take it? What's your favorite song? I think they use "I Believe" too much promoting the show, I much prefer "Hello" :)

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.22 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:03 PM EST
                        grump in NM

                        Hello, belle, hello, hello.

                        Oh, wow. I just noticed there is a hell in hello. It must be a revelation or something like that.

                        I shall have to meditate on this.

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.23 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:07 PM EST
                        belle42

                        Heh, meditate while watching South Park and listening to Avenue Q :)

                        oh and for Miguel:

                        "hasa diga eebowai"

                        • 1 vote
                        #6.24 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:14 PM EST
                        grump in NM

                        belle, I think South Park is great. Don't know what Avenue Q is, though. I am such a hermit.

                          #6.25 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:35 PM EST
                          belle42

                          musical theater show that parodies Sesame Street. it advertises full frontal puppet nudity :)

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenue_Q

                            #6.26 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM EST
                            Reply
                            TheJackel

                            You cannot back up your rhetoric by sound doctrine, I sense that science and faulty rationalism is robbing you from your light and I am here to try to make you aware of it if you are kind enough to listen or feel the truth of my words. Most of the things that you know have been written and rationalized by men of the world in search for truth. This is why it was also written of people like you with even more emphasis this:

                            Quoting me and then responding with utter nonsense doesn't win you the intelligence award in light of reality of itself. Rationalism robbing me? You seriously must be joking right? I suppose your irrationality it the logical route to take? What's even worse is that you didn't even actually respond to what I had said, that in which you quoted me on.. You go off on a dogmatic scripture tangent and completely ignored the context of what I even said. Let me sum up your response and article here:

                            Religious dogma / preaching scripture

                            Wow that must have been quite the accomplishment! But lets put that in evidence form:

                            For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

                            How exactly is what I said, that to which you quoted, even remotely related to being after my own "lust"?? And it's funny that you use dogma and scripture as an attempt to rebut my argument when all it does is prove my argument entirely! Did you even bother to stop and comprehend what I said? Clearly you had not..

                            So you say we turn our ears away from truth right? So I'm going to ask you to answer one simple question, and it will be a simple yes or no question:

                            Are you not in and of existence itself, and is not everything else that exists, or does exist?

                            And when you realize the answer, you will realize the futility of your position on what I said.. And just to put this in deeper context for you, we can review this precious gem of yours:

                            For your information, let me tell you that I write of the things that I know with absolute certainty and not hear say as you do with science and even religion issues.

                            Yeah, information is a fun little subject, and it goes kinda like this in terms of absolute certainty:

                            Information: The material physical Cause of causation

                            Energy =/= information =/= cause

                            This is unarguable:

                            A: There can be no choice, or decision made without information
                            B: There can be no consciousness or awareness without information
                            C: One can not have knowledge without information
                            D: One can not do anything without information
                            E: One can not exist without informational value
                            F: One can not think without information
                            G: One can not even know one's self exists without information
                            H: One can not reply, respond, or react without information
                            I: One can not convey, send, or express a message without information
                            J: There can be no morals, ethics, or laws without information
                            K: One can not have or express emotions, or feelings without information
                            L: One can not have experiences, or experience anything at all without information
                            M: One can not have a place to exist in order to be existent without information
                            N: One can not Create, or Design anything without information
                            O: One can not have the ability to process things without information
                            P: Intelligence can not exist without information to apply
                            Q: No system, or process can exist without information
                            R: Cause and effect can not exist without information
                            S:
                            Logic can not exist without information
                            T: Reason can not exist or things can not have a reason / purpose without information
                            U: There can be no meaning without information
                            V: There can be no value without information
                            W: There can be no capacity without informational value
                            Y: There can be no complexity without informational structure
                            Z: There can be no "I" without the information that gives I an Identity.

                            And in case you don't understand the ABC's above, and how that relates to truth, existence ect.. You can reference this:

                            Nothing begins with consciousness. Everything begins and ends with information.

                            Yep that is right, consciousness can't exist without cause son! There is no truth without value, or information. There would be no consciousness without first the existence of a system of information.. FUN STUFF! Your entire religious is irrelevant. :/

                            So yeah, the Pantheist GOD own your entire existence, and any value you think it has!

                            Lets repeat that for good measure:

                            So yeah, the Pantheist GOD own your entire existence, and any value you think it has!

                            Err since your religion relies a lot on repeating things to make them sound more true and credible, lets repeat it again! :

                            So yeah, the Pantheist GOD own your entire existence, and any value you think it has!

                            And the difference being, my repetition is actually repeating truth. It's been fun, and please have a Happy New Year :)

                            • 5 votes
                            Reply#7 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:51 PM EST
                            katrix

                            Hi Jackel ;) People who say that using science and logic and rational thought to prove things is wrong clearly have no interest in the truth. It's funny that this guy uses the favorite idiotic quotes of our friend ndeep when he attempts to mock intelligent, informed people and justify his own willful ignorance, down to the "fools" and "itchy ears." Although even ndeep doesn't claim outright to be Jesus the way this guy does. Wow.

                            • 5 votes
                            #7.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:07 PM EST
                            TheJackel

                            Typos:

                            * Your entire religion is irrelevant. :/

                            * Quoting me and then responding with utter nonsense doesn't win you the intelligence award in light of reality itself.

                            Also, in light of my response to your article, perhaps you can try again with an actual response to what I had said vs resorting to irrelevant preaching and scriptural dogma that wouldn't even exist without having to abide by information science, or information theory in relation to reality itself.. It seems you are backed up into a quagmire you can't argue yourself out of without self-refuting your arguments by needing to abide by mine in order to even make an argument!

                            Have a nice day my Newsvine Nemesis whom has failed at a game of dogma . :)

                            Hi Jackel ;) People who say that using science and logic and rational thought to prove things is wrong clearly have no interest in the truth

                            I couldn't have said it better myself :) That is exactly what this article reflects.

                            Jesus the way this guy does. Wow.

                            I thought that was strange too :).. Now let's see Jesus post an argument or have any worth at all without needing to abide by my argument, that which he quoted.. This ought to be an interesting day :P

                            • 6 votes
                            #7.2 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:14 PM EST
                            TheJackel

                            There are facts that are temporal and facts that are eternal.

                            Does Jesus understand what's wrong with this sentence? o.O

                            • 7 votes
                            #7.3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:26 PM EST
                            Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                            A temporal fact in this world. The life of the body is in the blood. When people are resurected, they are no longer vivified by blood because they are vivified by the spirt. So bllod is a temporal commodity. Another one, you will die, that is a temporal fact or the separation of the temporal body and the eternal spirit. And also an eternal fact which is eternal death, which is separation of the wicked from the rightosues and more particularly from thepresence of God for ever and ever after judgemnt day. Another, temporal fact. Where there is a beginning there is also an end. Like wise where there is no beginning there is no end. So numbers are endless as are circles.

                              #7.4 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:56 PM EST
                              gordy327

                              When people are resurected, they are no longer vivified by blood because they are vivified by the spirt.

                              There's no such thing as "resurrected." But it does make for a good plotline to a zombie movie.

                              Another one, you will die, that is a temporal fact

                              That's just a plain fact.

                              Where there is a beginning there is also an end.

                              What was there before god?

                              God for ever and ever after judgemnt day.

                              You still have to prove there is a god to begin with!

                              • 6 votes
                              #7.5 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM EST
                              TheJackel

                              A temporal fact in this world. The life of the body is in the blood.

                              Wrong, the life of the body is the entirety of the body to which includes the essence of existence itself..AKA energy, yeah, that substance that everything is made up of. Life is an electromagnetic phenomenon.

                              When people are resurected, they are no longer vivified by blood because they are vivified by the spirt.

                              This is entirely incoherent. :/ Technically, this is the science part, you can't destroy information or energy. If you want to speak of resurrection, it's not what you think it will be.. When you die, the atoms that made you, the energy that which was the essence of your being will remain and go on to become emerging properties of other things. In reality, you will always be a part of existence and have a purpose.. But sadly, you are not willing to deal with reality. Basically you are scared of dying and feel the need to fantasize to avoid having to deal with it. That's essentially what I gather from reading your responses that continue to ignore 99.999999999 % of anything Gordy, Memory, or I have said.

                              So bllod is a temporal commodity.

                              You have no understanding of what temporal means if you are trying to say blood is a temporal commodity. Blood is a product of energy. Time is the inertia of energy. There is a difference.

                              Another one, you will die, that is a temporal fact

                              And how does dying having anything to do with a rebuttal to anything I've sated in what you quoted, or what I've said in the above posts I've made?

                              or the separation of the temporal body and the eternal spirit.

                              How do you separate from time? Again you seem to not understand what time is. You are back to that square 1 where I asked if Jesus understand the problem with this sentence:

                              There are facts that are temporal and facts that are eternal.

                              And then we move on to this, this to which I think you were trying to convey:

                              And also an eternal fact which is eternal death

                              Death is subject to point of view here.. And clearly you fear it. But in science, death is not the end regardless of what side of the fence you are on.. You just want to believe you will transcend and retain being a conscious being as you are now. Well, reality is showing us that to be highly unlikely, and definitely impossible in terms of immateriality.

                              which is separation of the wicked from the rightosues and more particularly from thepresence of God for ever and ever after judgemnt day.

                              unconscious / dead people can't feel or care about that. Threatening people they will suffer conscious non-existence is rather a big fail don't ya think? After the fact it's pretty moot. And what makes you think people would give a crap about being "separated from GOD?".. Especially when in dealing with Pantheism or science that would be impossible.. However, since the conscious state can't exist without cause, death is likely like turning off your computer monitor and having the displayed windows desktop ceasing to display.

                              Another, temporal fact. Where there is a beginning there is also an end.

                              Wrong, time is infinite.. And you seem to missed this:

                              Nothing begins with consciousness. Everything begins and ends with information

                              So let's move along:

                              Like wise where there is no beginning there is no end. So numbers are endless as are circles.

                              Kinda like existence itself, and contextually the premise of what I just stated:

                              Nothing begins with consciousness. Everything begins and ends with information

                              Yes, energy is ever oscillating, having inertia, moving, and producing things like our Universe, or simple virtual particles. Existence is essentially one infinite system of energy processing energy, or information processing information. Light passing through different mediums producing patterns of color to which interact with other patterns to produce new patterns. You have sound waves, and pressure waves giving us order and complexity from a system of chaos. You have complex adaptive systems that allow for the possibility of cognitive dynamics so you can have a brain and be a conscious being capable self-direction and determination. You are an electromagnetic phenomenon, and all the information that makes you possible, gives you a unique Identity apart from others made from the same pile of sand. Hence, like two unique glasses emergent from the same pile of sand. This being the essence of existence itself..AKA Energy!

                              That's the reality of the real world. And it's hardly "wicked" unless you want to say it's wicked in the sense of being pretty cool, or amazing.

                              • 8 votes
                              #7.6 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 12:32 AM EST
                              WatcherInTheShadows

                              Jackel. When, exactly, do you intend to follow the rules and stop advertising your articles all over the place?

                                #7.7 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:22 PM EST
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                                Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                My Case is which is irrefutably proven assertive despite non acceptance. The scriptures made you confess your sins; you chose the word lust when I had in mind turned into fables. I see that you take the scriptures as nonsense which said is nonsense or foolishness to you. Like all adulterers you want proof, and like all Greeks you seek wisdom. But the only proof you will get will be the sing of the prophet Jonah. And the men of Nineveh that could not tell their left from their right would rise up to condemn you. For of this it is written:

                                An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

                                (New Testament | Matthew 12:39 - 42)

                                For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

                                (New Testament | 1 Corinthians 1:22 - 25)

                                You have been partaking too much of the forbidden fruit, for you are lost in purported intellectual rhetoric. And instead of accepting the truth, you are rejecting it and choosing darkness rather than light or things that will lead you to a bottomless pit of never ending investigation like most philosophers. The things of God are understood by faith in things not seen. I am not here for adherents, pupils, rewards or worldly prices or the glory of men. I am here to teach the hard core truth and not to be taught for I am taught from on high. And I am able to transact the will of God whether you like it or not. Can’t you see that I have been talking to you all day? Will I be here all day wasting and wearing my own life, forsaking my family if I did not have a genuine and unfeigned interest in the welfare of your souls? It tortures my very own should to know that the devil has a great hold of your hearts and that you will suffer because false beliefs or traditions which are not correct. For people are condemned for not believing and not for believing too much.

                                A-Z made simple. Man cannot be saved in ignorance.

                                None of your worldly knowledge will save you or get you any closer to perfection or heaven. This is why I am here to compliment it with eternal truths. For there you are a learned man of a good hold in the understanding of world sciences deliberating with a person who did not even complete High school except thru GED equivalency who barely can use his common sense and whose first language is not English. Do you think I am here for a contest of words? But this also fulfills the scriptures that you would not hear or refuse to accept which say:

                                For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

                                (Old Testament | Isaiah 28:11 - 12)

                                But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

                                (New Testament | 1 Corinthians 1:27 - 28)

                                One day you will know that I have not broken my back in vain in the service of my God and as a result you will be much ashamed when you are brought before the bar of heaven t the last day and Know that I was sent to say all whatsoever God puts in my heart and in my mind. And I exhort you to remember these things for the time soon comes when the LORD is going to show you that I lied not. And these are the very words that he will say unto you:

                                And I exhort you to remember these things; for the time speedily cometh that ye shall know that I lie not, for ye shall see me at the bar of God; and the Lord God will say unto you: Did I not declare my words unto you, which were written by this man, like as one crying from the dead, yea, even as one speaking out of the dust? I declare these things unto the fulfilling of the prophecies. And behold, they shall proceed forth out of the mouth of the everlasting God; and his word shall hiss forth from generation to generation. And God shall show unto you, that that which I have written is true.

                                (Book of Mormon | Moroni 10:27 - 29)

                                Can’t you see how everything I say makes sense? Or is it hard to see that what I write is in harmony with common sense and that there is nothing that I take back as dubious. This is so for I know my trade? But what else can I say or do to persuade you. All that is left are the sermons of heaven with reverberating noises and intonation or voices that will speak in your ears louder than the powers that shall shake the earth.

                                  Reply#8 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:54 PM EST
                                  katrix

                                  For there you are a learned man of a good hold in the understanding of world sciences deliberating with a person who did not even complete High school except thru GED equivalency who barely can use his common sense and whose first language is not English.

                                  Well, that explains a lot. Especially the common sense part - nobody with common sense would believe this crap or think he was a god.

                                  Nothing you say makes a lick of sense except in the context of someone who seriously needs to get help.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #8.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:21 PM EST
                                  Reply
                                  Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                  YOU WANT CREDENTIALS WILL THAT MAKE YOU A BELIEVER and influence to repent? We will see. here are my Credentials

                                  You think this is entertainment or even a Joke. But you do not realize that you are being smothered in hell fire by your own making. You mock me now but later you will lament and sleep in sorrow. You want to see credentials, here are my credentials all the way back to Jesus Christ which is greater than the priestly fifth order of Malchiyah from of the remaining 24 priestly order of the house of Aaron of which I literally descend. This makes me both a son of Aaron and a son of Moses and most importantly a son God for as we speak I have been all day magnifying my calling as it is written:

                                  Therefore, as I said concerning the sons of Moses—for the sons of Moses and also the sons of Aaron shall offer an acceptable offering and sacrifice in the house of the Lord, which house shall be built unto the Lord in this generation, upon the consecrated spot as I have appointed— And the sons of Moses and of Aaron shall be filled with the glory of the Lord, upon Mount Zion in the Lord's house, whose sons are ye; and also many whom I have called and sent forth to build up my church.

                                  or whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies. They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God. And also all they who receive this priesthood receive me, saith the Lord; For he that receiveth my servants receiveth me; And he that receiveth me receiveth my Father; And he that receiveth my Father receiveth my Father's kingdom; therefore all that my Father hath shall be given unto him. And this is according to the oath and covenant which belongeth to the priesthood.

                                  (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 84:31 - 39)

                                  As you see already, you have rejected me and as a result you have rejected God who in turn will reject you at the last day. So enjoy your wickedness while you can for endless misery awaits you unless you speedily repent, amend your ways and come to the depths of Humility. As you see, I have charity for you but I have no hope for I perceive that the spirit of God has ceased to contend with you. You have been given ample space and time to repent, but each time is worst. The days ahead will not be very nice for any of you for I entrust you to the will of Satan from this day forth to do to you as he is willed. This I prophesy with proper authority in the holy name of Jesus Christ, amen.

                                  Nonetheless, I have not finished my errand. You will also see that I was properly appointed and ordained a priest on the in the Aaronic priesthood in may 29th 1987 by a High Priest Named Wheeten Reed of the higher order of Melchizedeck in the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints shortly after I came to this country. And after which in my youth, I was ministered by an angel sent from the presence of GOD who sealed me unto this power forever and ever. And some of my duties as are and have been as such:

                                  The power and authority of the lesser, or Aaronic Priesthood, is to hold the keys of the ministering of angels, and to administer in outward ordinances, the letter of the gospel, the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, agreeable to the covenants and commandments.

                                  (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 107:20)

                                  And some of my other duties as such are many which include to preach exhort and to baptize and to administer the sacraments among other duties:

                                  They are, however, to warn, expound, exhort, and teach, and invite all to come unto Christ. Every elder, priest, teacher, or deacon is to be ordained according to the gifts and callings of God unto him; and he is to be ordained by the power of the Holy Ghost, which is in the one who ordains him.

                                  (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 20:59 - 60)

                                  later on as an elder in the higher order of priesthood which generations goes as follows. I have both certificates as credentials, but here is the lineage of the Authority of God to seal you up to your woe. And I have already summoned the powers of heaven to vindicate all my words. For I

                                  • Miguel Angel Tinoco was ordained to the office of Elder in the Melchizedeck priesthood on the 30th day of May in 1993 by Eddy L. Barillas.

                                  • Eddy L Barillas, was ordained, High Priest on the 21st day of May in 1967 by A. Theodore Tuttle.

                                  • A. Theodore Tuttle was ordained High Priest on the 27th of July of 1961 by Henry D. Moyle

                                  • Henry D. Moyle was ordained, Apostle on the 10th day of April of 1947 by Gorge Albert Smith.

                                  • George Albert Smith was ordained Apostle on the 8th of October in 1903 by Joseph Fielding Smith

                                  • Joseph Fielding Smith was ordained Apostle on the 1st day of July in 1866 by Brigham young

                                  • Brigham Young was ordained on the 14th day of February in 1835 under the hands of the three witnesses, Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and Martin Harris.

                                  • The Three witnesses were called by revelation to choose the twelve apostles and on the 14th day of February of 1835 and were blessings by the lying of hands by the presidency, Joseph Smith Jr. Sydney Rigdon and Frederick G. William to ordain the twelve apostles.

                                  • Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received the Melchizedeck priesthood in the year 1829 under the hands of Peter, James and John.

                                  • Peter James and John, were ordained apostles by the LORD Jesus Christ, (see John 15:16)

                                  IF YOUR ARE OR CLAIM TO BE PROPERLY BAPTIZED ASK YOUR PRIEST OR PASTORS TO PRODUCE ONE OF THESE. THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE AND WHATEVER THAY HAVE DONE TO YOU, IS FALSE. FOR IT IS COMMON FOR THE PEOPLE TO CONFUSE THE TRUE MINISTERS FOR FALSE ONES AND THE FALSE ONE FOR TRUE ONES.

                                    Reply#9 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM EST
                                    gordy327

                                    Joseph Smith? Really? So let me get this straight: you claim of "credentials" comes all the way down the line originating with Joseph Smith? Basically, you're a credentialed con man from the original con man of a cult! Well, that's very telling I must say.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #9.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:34 PM EST
                                    Reply
                                    Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                    With your eveil deeds you have laid the foundation for your destruction and the land has been cursed for your sakes, yea, and inthe due time of the LORD your habitations shall be made desolate. And by the things that are written youwill be judged for your deeds are the same as those that were destoyed before you. For these are the words of the LORD to you at this hour and they certainly apply to you who are here this day:

                                    "Behold ye, the people of this great city, and hearken unto my words; yea, hearken unto the words which the Lord saith; for behold, he saith that ye are cursed because of your riches, and also are your riches cursed because ye have set your hearts upon them, and have not hearkened unto the words of him who gave them unto you. Ye do not remember the Lord your God in the things with which he hath blessed you, but ye do always remember your riches, not to thank the Lord your God for them; yea, your hearts are not drawn out unto the Lord, but they do swell with great pride, unto boasting, and unto great swelling, envyings, strifes, malice, persecutions, and murders, and all manner of iniquities.

                                    For this cause hath the Lord God caused that a curse should come upon the land, and also upon your riches, and this because of your iniquities. Yea, wo unto this people, because of this time which has arrived, that ye do cast out the prophets, and do mock them, and cast stones at them, and do slay them, and do all manner of iniquity unto them, even as they did of old time.

                                    And now when ye talk, ye say: If our days had been in the days of our fathers of old, we would not have slain the prophets; we would not have stoned them, and cast them out Behold ye are worse than they; for as the Lord liveth, if a prophet come among you and declareth unto you the word of the Lord, which testifieth of your sins and iniquities, ye are angry with him, and cast him out and seek all manner of ways to destroy him; yea, you will say that he is a false prophet, and that he is a sinner, and of the devil, because he testifieth that your deeds are evil.

                                    But behold, if a man shall come among you and shall say: Do this, and there is no iniquity; do that and ye shall not suffer; yea, he will say: Walk after the pride of your own hearts; yea, walk after the pride of your eyes, and do whatsoever your heart desireth—and if a man shall come among you and say this, ye will receive him, and say that he is a prophet. Yea, ye will lift him up, and ye will give unto him of your substance; ye will give unto him of your gold, and of your silver, and ye will clothe him with costly apparel; and because he speaketh flattering words unto you, and he saith that all is well, then ye will not find fault with him.

                                    O ye wicked and ye perverse generation; ye hardened and ye stiffnecked people, how long will ye suppose that the Lord will suffer you? Yea, how long will ye suffer yourselves to be led by foolish and blind guides? Yea, how long will ye choose darkness rather than light? Yea, behold, the anger of the Lord is already kindled against you; behold, he hath cursed the land because of your iniquity. And behold, the time cometh that he curseth your riches, that they become slippery, that ye cannot hold them; and in the days of your poverty ye cannot retain them. And in the days of your poverty ye shall cry unto the Lord; and in vain shall ye cry, for your desolation is already come upon you, and your destruction is made sure; and then shall ye weep and howl in that day, saith the Lord of Hosts. And then shall ye lament, and say: O that I had repented, and had not killed the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out.

                                    Yea, in that day ye shall say: O that we had remembered the Lord our God in the day that he gave us our riches, and then they would not have become slippery that we should lose them; for behold, our riches are gone from us. Behold, we lay a tool here and on the morrow it is gone; and behold, our swords are taken from us in the day we have sought them for battle. Yea, we have hid up our treasures and they have slipped away from us, because of the curse of the land. O that we had repented in the day that the word of the Lord came unto us; for behold the land is cursed, and all things are become slippery, and we cannot hold them. Behold, we are surrounded by demons, yea, we are encircled about by the angels of him who hath sought to destroy our souls. Behold, our iniquities are great. O Lord, canst thou not turn away thine anger from us?

                                    And this shall be your language in those days. But behold, your days of probation are past; ye have procrastinated the day of your salvation until it is everlastingly too late, and your destruction is made sure; yea, for ye have sought all the days of your lives for that which ye could not obtain; and ye have sought for happiness in doing iniquity, which thing is contrary to the nature of that righteousness which is in our great and Eternal Head. O ye people of the land, that ye would hear my words! And I pray that the anger of the Lord be turned away from you, and that ye would repent and be saved."

                                    (Book of Mormon | Helaman 13:21 - 39)

                                      Reply#10 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:20 PM EST
                                      gordy327

                                      Book of Mormon | Helaman 13:21 - 39)

                                      Book of Mormon? Well, I think that explains a lot here. ;P

                                      Maybe I should quote some scripture from the Book of Pastafarian? Might be more insightful.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #10.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:31 PM EST
                                      katrix

                                      Go for it, gordy! It would make at least as much sense.

                                      This false prophet commits such blatent blasphemy. That fiery furnace is licking at his toes ... Satan is spreading his wings for the time when Jesus throws this blasphemer to him to punish for eternity. God is a jealous psycho and he won't tolerate someone like this pretending to be jesus.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #10.2 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:50 PM EST
                                      gordy327

                                      Go for it, gordy! It would make at least as much sense.

                                      I've got one even better:

                                      "Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man… living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money."

                                      George Carlin

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #10.3 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:03 PM EST
                                      Reply
                                      Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                      You boast of insight, when you have none. You are in my territory that is why I quote the Book of Mormon, but if you don’t like the book of Mormon, how about Isaiah? In any case you are but a particle of dust by which the LORD has worked his purposes. For it is written:

                                      Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

                                      Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth. Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

                                      Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground? When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place? For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod. Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen. This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

                                      (Old Testament | Isaiah 28:17 - 29)

                                      The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back.

                                      I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me. Behold, the Lord GOD will help me; who is he that shall condemn me? lo, they all shall wax old as a garment; the moth shall eat them up. Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God. Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

                                      (Old Testament | Isaiah 50:5 - 11)

                                        Reply#11 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST
                                        gordy327

                                        You boast of insight, when you have none.

                                        You're right. I also have logic and rational thinking.

                                        You are in my territory that is why I quote the Book of Mormon

                                        Still doesn't make you right or lend you any more credibility. Just makes you look foolish though.

                                        but if you don’t like the book of Mormon, how about Isaiah?

                                        Why not? It's all the same BS!

                                        In any case you are but a particle of dust by which the LORD has worked his purposes.

                                        So much for free will then. I guess my being "wicked" is all part of god's plan then, right? I can't be faulted for that then.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #11.1 - Tue Jan 3, 2012 11:01 PM EST
                                        Reply
                                        Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                        Zion, January 4th 2012

                                        AND after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory…

                                        (New Testament | Revelation 18:1)

                                        To you who observe all sorts of light but are not able to commune and much less to communicate with it, ask that light to do something for you. If you can’t it is only because what you call light is nothing but appreciable darkness.

                                        Now your very own light, which you can’t see is a bit greater than even the light you observe and appreciate as if you worshiped it and still, it benefits you nothing. To me is still darkness. But my light or the light that shines within me is so powerful that the whole world is lighted with it. It is a light that shines in darkness and darkness comprehends it not. However, this light is able to communicate with you and you with it. And this light has some final binding words for you who have rejected the words of Jesus Christ.

                                        Please give heed to my words, for by small means the LORD accomplished that which is great. It was nice serving you, even if it was for little or no avail to you. I hope that you are at least able to perceive that my effort in serving you the truth was both just and valid. You maintained your position and I maintained my stand. You will get your reward and I will get mine in accordance our words, works, deeds and thoughts. I now must say farewell to you until we meet again before the Bar of Christ where you will know that my garments are clean from your blood and from your sins. Not many, much less anyone alone, endeavors or have the courage to preach directly to fine people like you; and to confront the devil as much as I have done with even if you took it as merely entertainment. At the very least, some of you were blessed and were made very familiar with the voice of the Holy Ghost or the voice of Michael. This is a voice that you will never forget and it will be with you forever even after you depart this world and recognize your folly on the day that you will bend the knee and confess with your own tongue that Jesus is the Christ.

                                        But before that takes place whether you will or not, you will go to a prison of darkness in the spirit world as those who died during the flood in the days of Noah and who rejected the words of righteousness and many of whom are still held captive in a prison of darkness after several millenniums. And as a result, it will take a long time for you to finally meet the LORD or more lightly one of his agents, for it will be until you have paid for all your sins in a place you do not believe exists. But after this, I promise; or at the very least, I hope that after that you will inherit a kingdom of glory in heaven. It will be a telestial kingdom of glory with a degree happiness or joy that you have no knowledge that it yet exists. In fact, if you were to fall asleep or die at this very moment and be able to see or experience just for five seconds the amount of happiness that you will enjoy there, you would not want to return or wake up or live in this perverse and corrupt world.

                                        And you will have a job too: yea, you will be eternal observers of light and energy brighter than the one in the world in which you will spend your eternity. Or in other words, you will be eternal servants and/or ministering servants to those who obtained a higher degree of intelligence or glory and who were more humble than you on the earth and did not rebel against the word of God and who obtained a higher kingdom of glory such as the terrestrial or the cleestial. But where Christ and the Father are which glories surpass all things, you can never come.

                                        And if there is any direct communication from God the Father or From Christ to you, if any, will have to come thru me even as it is now or similarly. It will be in a similar yet a more sophisticated settings as we are now speaking thru primitive telestial communications such as TV, Radio, PHONE OR INTERNET only that other mediums will be the devices.

                                        You see and read my words now and the holy scriptures, but not my presence or the presence of God for that matter. So will it be in the world to come. This is imbedded in the universal compass that you mocked. That is how things are in the telestial world, which is similar to this, but only purer. And this knowledge no amount of observation of light or rethoric or a rock will ever give to you. For the light you so eagerly observe and so much talk about is darkness; and it wants you to remain in uncertainty forever. In other words, you are being blinded by the elusive darkness of the devil. Or you are studying things beyond the mark; or things that you will never fully comprehend.

                                        Now, the reason I tell you all this it is because is written and I wanted you to receive certain blessings so you could come closer to God, for there are three degrees of Glory in heaven and one which is not of Glory. But you would not hear me despite my effort. So God has delivered you to darkness and after which you will be entrusted to me, for I am the only link between worlds. For no one comes to the father except thru the son, and no one comes to the son except thru the Holy Ghost. And when you see and comprehend that all that I have said is absolutely the true, you will cry bitterly and accept you insufferably folly. And then you will perhaps have more appreciation for what I did in these few days, even if you hate me for it at first. I have some words for you to ponder so that you do not think that I invented this or that I meant evil for you. I came to give you more, but you were content with less or very little. The following words are what you can expect to inherit in the life to come and what a meager 14 million of us who enjoy a fullness or a portion of the Holy Ghost know to be true, for the LORD has spoken it thru his prophet saying:

                                        “And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament. These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus. These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit. These are they who are thrust down to hell. These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work. These are they who receive not of his fulness in the eternal world, but of the Holy Spirit through the ministration of the terrestrial; And the terrestrial through the ministration of the celestial. And also the telestial receive it of the administering of angels who are appointed to minister for them, or who are appointed to be ministering spirits for them; for they shall be heirs of salvation.

                                        And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding; And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it.

                                        And thus we saw the glory of the terrestrial which excels in all things the glory of the telestial, even in glory, and in power, and in might, and in dominion.

                                        And thus we saw the glory of the celestial, which excels in all things—where God, even the Father, reigns upon his throne forever and ever; Before whose throne all things bow in humble reverence, and give him glory forever and ever. They who dwell in his presence are the church of the Firstborn; and they see as they are seen, and know as they are known, having received of his fulness and of his grace; And he makes them equal in power, and in might, and in dominion.

                                        And the glory of the celestial is one, even as the glory of the sun is one.

                                        And the glory of the terrestrial is one, even as the glory of the moon is one.

                                        And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world; For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas. These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch; But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.

                                        Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into the cloud. These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth. These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire. These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work; When he shall deliver up the kingdom, and present it unto the Father, spotless, saying:

                                        I have overcome and have trodden the wine–press alone, even the wine–press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.

                                        Then shall he be crowned with the crown of his glory, to sit on the throne of his power to reign forever and ever.

                                        But behold, and lo, we saw the glory and the inhabitants of the telestial world, that they were as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the seashore; And heard the voice of the Lord saying: These all shall bow the knee, and every tongue shall confess to him who sits upon the throne forever and ever; For they shall be judged according to their works, and every man shall receive according to his own works, his own dominion, in the mansions which are prepared; And they shall be servants of the Most High; but where God and Christ dwell they cannot come, worlds without end.

                                        This is the end of the vision which we saw, which we were commanded to write while we were yet in the Spirit. But great and marvelous are the works of the Lord, and the mysteries of his kingdom which he showed unto us, which surpass all understanding in glory, and in might, and in dominion; Which he commanded us we should not write while we were yet in the Spirit, and are not lawful for man to utter; Neither is man capable to make them known, for they are only to be seen and understood by the power of the Holy Spirit, which God bestows on those who love him, and purify themselves before him; To whom he grants this privilege of seeing and knowing for themselves; That through the power and manifestation of the Spirit, while in the flesh, they may be able to bear his presence in the world of glory. And to God and the Lamb be glory, and honor, and dominion forever and ever. Amen.”

                                        (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 76:81 - 119)

                                        And this is, the telestial glory unless you reject it, is your consolation according to the word of the LORD also. For he said it saying:

                                        But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

                                        (New Testament | Luke 6:24 - 26)

                                        Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

                                        (New Testament | 2 Peter 3:3 - 10)

                                        and they despised the words of plainness, and killed the prophets, and sought for things that they could not understand. Wherefore, because of their blindness, which blindness came by looking beyond the mark, they must needs fall; for God hath taken away his plainness from them, and delivered unto them many things which they cannot understand, because they desired it. And because they desired it God hath done it, that they may stumble.

                                        (Book of Mormon | Jacob 4:14)

                                        Thos of you who have studied energy or light, you are like a spectrum who represent the state of existentialisms a lot of people. By this preaching, the times of the gentiles are time and again fulfilled. And by you rejecting all these things as the scriptures plainly make manifest, your empire of darkness is overthrown in order to give way for the people of God to rule and reign on the earth at the coming of the LORD which is at the doors or shortly coming to pass. In other words, I Michael, singled handed managed to take away from your people or the grasp of Satan, the scepter of power and return it to their rightful owners, even the house of Israel. And hence forth, if you have not noticed yet, as a people, you will begin to recede as the moon while our people begins to shine forth, potent as the sun, bright as the moon and defiant as an army ready for battle. For of this it is written:

                                        For Michael shall fight their battles, and shall overcome him who seeketh the throne of him who sitteth upon the throne, even the Lamb.

                                        (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:115)

                                        And all this is done for the honor and glory of God in the holy name of Jesus Christ, amen.

                                        Attentively yours, a servant in the hands of Christ, even, Michael the Archangel

                                        Scribe

                                        Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                          Reply#12 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 9:20 AM EST
                                          gordy327

                                          Do you actually have anything relevant or logical to add? Or are you simply ranting and proselytizing nonsensically at this point?

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                                          #12.1 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 9:46 AM EST
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                                          ngp256

                                          Where is your proof and evidence of this? You're jesus? pfft Im Heimdall then.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#13 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 2:51 PM EST
                                          Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                          But he answered and said unto them:

                                          An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

                                          (New Testament | Matthew 12:39 - 45)

                                            Reply#14 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 4:57 PM EST
                                            RAY FRIEDMAN

                                            keep it simple , yes there is a powe or powers greater than us, I choose to call it Fod and I am not that power in it;s all.Relax we are all part of a whole n , but not the whole , that would be grandiose and delusional.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#15 - Wed Jan 4, 2012 5:35 PM EST
                                            Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                            I do not know about others, but simple or not, I am here laboring to lift the gospel standard and I can’t relax though my bones are withered with the fire that burns within and without me as a lamp; and which compels me to write for a purpose only known unto God. As you said, we are not the whole only part of the whole, but light lingers with light. For we are either hot or cold, and you know that if we are found lukewarm, the LORD will vomit us from his mouth. I perceive, there are more souls here present or behind the scenes taking notice of what is being said besides us exchanging words. I have seen them and they judge between me, you and those who refuse the words of Christ who is hot and who is cold amongst us. It is as if I were preaching the gospel unto the dead.

                                            NOW, I am here to prepare the way before the second coming of the LORD. OR like a mirror or a sponge these days; and your own words reflect back the following light which precedes a divine answer, not of my but of him who is above all and knows all things, even Jesus Christ, For it is written:

                                            In the last days, Israel shall be gathered—Zion shall be established—Her watchmen shall teach about the Lord—They shall lift the gospel standard—They shall be chosen and redeemed.

                                            FOR Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

                                            Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

                                            I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

                                            The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

                                            But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness. Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people. Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world,

                                            Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

                                            (Old Testament | Isaiah 62:Heading - 12)

                                              Reply#16 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 11:58 PM EST
                                              gordy327

                                              I am here laboring to lift the gospel standard and I can’t relax though my bones are withered with the fire that burns within and without me as a lamp; and which compels me to write for a purpose only known unto God.

                                              There are medications to help with that.

                                              the LORD will vomit us from his mouth

                                              I guess that's better than crapping us out.

                                              I have seen them and they judge between me, you and those who refuse the words of Christ who is hot and who is cold amongst us. It is as if I were preaching the gospel unto the dead.

                                              Medications AND psychotherapy will help with that. Sounds like schizophrenia to me.

                                              NOW, I am here to prepare the way before the second coming of the LORD.

                                              Your time to waste I suppose.

                                              • 6 votes
                                              #16.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 1:41 AM EST
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                                              Abby.

                                              Actually, I'd rather put my faith in this...

                                              Quantum mechanics
                                              From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                                              For a generally accessible and less technical introduction to the topic, see Introduction to quantum mechanics.

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                                              Quantum mechanics, also known as quantum physics or quantum theory, is a branch of physics providing a mathematical description of much of the dual particle-like and wave-like behavior and interactions of energy and matter. It departs from classical mechanics primarily at the atomic and subatomic scales, the so-called quantum realm. In advanced topics of quantum mechanics, some of these behaviors are macroscopic and only emerge at very low or very high energies or temperatures. The name "quantum mechanics", coined by Max Planck, derives from the observation that some physical quantities can change only by discrete amounts, or quanta. For example, the angular momentum of an electron bound to an atom or molecule is quantized.[1] In the context of quantum mechanics, the wave–particle duality of energy and matter and the uncertainty principle provide a unified view of the behavior of photons, electrons and other atomic-scale objects.

                                              The mathematical formulations of quantum mechanics are abstract. A mathematical function called the wavefunction provides information about the probability amplitude of position, momentum, and other physical properties of a particle. Mathematical manipulations of the wavefunction usually involve the bra-ket notation, which requires an understanding of complex numbers and linear functionals. The wavefunction treats the object as a quantum harmonic oscillator and the mathematics is akin to that of acoustic resonance. Many of the results of quantum mechanics are not easily visualized in terms of classical mechanics; for instance, the ground state in the quantum mechanical model is a non-zero energy state that is the lowest permitted energy state of a system, rather than a more traditional system that is thought of as simply being at rest with zero kinetic energy.

                                              The earliest versions of quantum mechanics were formulated in the first decade of the 20th century. At around the same time, the atomic theory and the corpuscular theory of light (as updated by Einstein) first came to be widely accepted as scientific fact; these latter theories can be viewed as quantum theories of matter and electromagnetic radiation. The early quantum theory was significantly reformulated in the mid-1920s by Werner Heisenberg, Max Born, Wolfgang Pauli and their associates, and the Copenhagen interpretation of Niels Bohr became widely accepted. By 1930, quantum mechanics had been further unified and formalized by the work of Paul Dirac and John von Neumann, with a greater emphasis placed on measurement in quantum mechanics, the statistical nature of our knowledge of reality and philosophical speculation about the role of the observer. Quantum mechanics has since branched out into almost every aspect of 20th century physics and other disciplines such as quantum chemistry, quantum electronics, quantum optics and quantum information science. Much 19th century physics has been re-evaluated as the classical limit of quantum mechanics, and its more advanced developments in terms of quantum field theory, string theory, and speculative quantum gravity theories.

                                              Contents
                                              [hide] 1 History
                                              2 Mathematical formulations
                                              3 Interactions with other scientific theories 3.1 Quantum mechanics and classical physics
                                              3.2 Relativity and quantum mechanics
                                              3.3 Attempts at a unified field theory

                                              4 Philosophical implications
                                              5 Applications
                                              6 Examples 6.1 Free particle
                                              6.2 Step potential
                                              6.3 Rectangular potential barrier
                                              6.4 Particle in a box
                                              6.5 Finite potential well
                                              6.6 Harmonic oscillator

                                              7 Notes
                                              8 References
                                              9 Further reading
                                              10 External links

                                              [edit] History

                                              Main article: History of quantum mechanics

                                              The history of quantum mechanics dates back to the 1838 discovery of cathode rays by Michael Faraday. This was followed by the 1859 statement of the black body radiation problem by Gustav Kirchhoff, the 1877 suggestion by Ludwig Boltzmann that the energy states of a physical system can be discrete, and the 1900 quantum hypothesis of Max Planck.[2] Planck's hypothesis that energy is radiated and absorbed in discrete "quanta", or "energy elements", precisely matched the observed patterns of black body radiation. According to Planck, each energy element E is proportional to its frequency ν:

                                              where h is Planck's constant. Planck cautiously insisted that this was simply an aspect of the processes of absorption and emission of radiation and had nothing to do with the physical reality of the radiation itself.[3] However, in 1905 Albert Einstein interpreted Planck's quantum hypothesis realistically and used it to explain the photoelectric effect, in which shining light on certain materials can eject electrons from the material.

                                              The foundations of quantum mechanics were established during the first half of the twentieth century by Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Max Planck, Louis de Broglie, Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrödinger, Max Born, John von Neumann, Paul Dirac, Wolfgang Pauli, David Hilbert, and others. In the mid-1920s, developments in quantum mechanics led to its becoming the standard formulation for atomic physics. In the summer of 1925, Bohr and Heisenberg published results that closed the "Old Quantum Theory". Out of deference to their dual state as particles, light quanta came to be called photons (1926). From Einstein's simple postulation was born a flurry of debating, theorizing and testing. Thus the entire field of quantum physics emerged, leading to its wider acceptance at the Fifth Solvay Conference in 1927.

                                              The other exemplar that led to quantum mechanics was the study of electromagnetic waves such as light. When it was found in 1900 by Max Planck that the energy of waves could be described as consisting of small packets or quanta, Albert Einstein further developed this idea to show that an electromagnetic wave such as light could be described as a particle - later called the photon - with a discrete quanta of energy that was dependent on its frequency.[4] This led to a theory of unity between subatomic particles and electromagnetic waves called wave–particle duality in which particles and waves were neither one nor the other, but had certain properties of both.

                                              While quantum mechanics traditionally described the world of the very small, it is also needed to explain certain recently investigated macroscopic systems such as superconductors and superfluids.

                                              The word quantum derives from Latin, meaning "how great" or "how much".[5] In quantum mechanics, it refers to a discrete unit that quantum theory assigns to certain physical quantities, such as the energy of an atom at rest (see Figure 1). The discovery that particles are discrete packets of energy with wave-like properties led to the branch of physics dealing with atomic and sub-atomic systems which is today called quantum mechanics. It is the underlying mathematical framework of many fields of physics and chemistry, including condensed matter physics, solid-state physics, atomic physics, molecular physics, computational physics, computational chemistry, quantum chemistry, particle physics, nuclear chemistry, and nuclear physics.[6] Some fundamental aspects of the theory are still actively studied.[7]

                                              Quantum mechanics is essential to understand the behavior of systems at atomic length scales and smaller. For example, if classical mechanics governed the workings of an atom, electrons would rapidly travel towards and collide with the nucleus, making stable atoms impossible. However, in the natural world the electrons normally remain in an uncertain, non-deterministic "smeared" (wave–particle wave function) orbital path around or through the nucleus, defying classical electromagnetism.[8]

                                              Quantum mechanics was initially developed to provide a better explanation of the atom, especially the differences in the spectra of light emitted by different isotopes of the same element. The quantum theory of the atom was developed as an explanation for the electron remaining in its orbit, which could not be explained by Newton's laws of motion and Maxwell's laws of classical electromagnetism.

                                              Broadly speaking, quantum mechanics incorporates four classes of phenomena for which classical physics cannot account:
                                              The quantization of certain physical properties
                                              Wave–particle duality
                                              The uncertainty principle
                                              Quantum entanglement.

                                              [edit] Mathematical formulations

                                              Main article: Mathematical formulations of quantum mechanics

                                              See also: Quantum logic

                                              In the mathematically rigorous formulation of quantum mechanics developed by Paul Dirac[9] and John von Neumann,[10] the possible states of a quantum mechanical system are represented by unit vectors (called "state vectors"). Formally, these reside in a complex separable Hilbert space (variously called the "state space" or the "associated Hilbert space" of the system) well defined up to a complex number of norm 1 (the phase factor). In other words, the possible states are points in the projective space of a Hilbert space, usually called the complex projective space. The exact nature of this Hilbert space is dependent on the system; for example, the state space for position and momentum states is the space of square-integrable functions, while the state space for the spin of a single proton is just the product of two complex planes. Each observable is represented by a maximally Hermitian (precisely: by a self-adjoint) linear operator acting on the state space. Each eigenstate of an observable corresponds to an eigenvector of the operator, and the associated eigenvalue corresponds to the value of the observable in that eigenstate. If the operator's spectrum is discrete, the observable can only attain those discrete eigenvalues.

                                              In the formalism of quantum mechanics, the state of a system at a given time is described by a complex wave function, also referred to as state vector in a complex vector space.[11] This abstract mathematical object allows for the calculation of probabilities of outcomes of concrete experiments. For example, it allows one to compute the probability of finding an electron in a particular region around the nucleus at a particular time. Contrary to classical mechanics, one can never make simultaneous predictions of conjugate variables, such as position and momentum, with accuracy. For instance, electrons may be considered to be located somewhere within a region of space, but with their exact positions being unknown. Contours of constant probability, often referred to as "clouds", may be drawn around the nucleus of an atom to conceptualize where the electron might be located with the most probability. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle quantifies the inability to precisely locate the particle given its conjugate momentum.[12]

                                              According to one interpretation, as the result of a measurement the wave function containing the probability information for a system collapses from a given initial state to a particular eigenstate. The possible results of a measurement are the eigenvalues of the operator representing the observable — which explains the choice of Hermitian operators, for which all the eigenvalues are real. We can find the probability distribution of an observable in a given state by computing the spectral decomposition of the corresponding operator. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is represented by the statement that the operators corresponding to certain observables do not commute.

                                              The probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics thus stems from the act of measurement. This is one of the most difficult aspects of quantum systems to understand. It was the central topic in the famous Bohr-Einstein debates, in which the two scientists attempted to clarify these fundamental principles by way of thought experiments. In the decades after the formulation of quantum mechanics, the question of what constitutes a "measurement" has been extensively studied. Newer interpretations of quantum mechanics have been formulated that do away with the concept of "wavefunction collapse"; see, for example, the relative state interpretation. The basic idea is that when a quantum system interacts with a measuring apparatus, their respective wavefunctions become entangled, so that the original quantum system ceases to exist as an independent entity. For details, see the article on measurement in quantum mechanics.[13] Generally, quantum mechanics does not assign definite values. Instead, it makes predictions using probability distributions; that is, it describes the probability of obtaining possible outcomes from measuring an observable. Often these results are skewed by many causes, such as dense probability clouds[14] or quantum state nuclear attraction.[15][16] Naturally, these probabilities will depend on the quantum state at the "instant" of the measurement. Hence, uncertainty is involved in the value. There are, however, certain states that are associated with a definite value of a particular observable. These are known as eigenstates of the observable ("eigen" can be translated from German as meaning inherent or characteristic).[17]

                                              In the everyday world, it is natural and intuitive to think of everything (every observable) as being in an eigenstate. Everything appears to have a definite position, a definite momentum, a definite energy, and a definite time of occurrence. However, quantum mechanics does not pinpoint the exact values of a particle's position and momentum (since they are conjugate pairs) or its energy and time (since they too are conjugate pairs); rather, it only provides a range of probabilities of where that particle might be given its momentum and momentum probability. Therefore, it is helpful to use different words to describe states having uncertain values and states having definite values (eigenstate). Usually, a system will not be in an eigenstate of the observable (particle) we are interested in. However, if one measures the observable, the wavefunction will instantaneously be an eigenstate (or generalised eigenstate) of that observable. This process is known as wavefunction collapse, a controversial and much debated process.[18] It involves expanding the system under study to include the measurement device. If one knows the corresponding wave function at the instant before the measurement, one will be able to compute the probability of collapsing into each of the possible eigenstates. For example, the free particle in the previous example will usually have a wavefunction that is a wave packet centered around some mean position x0, neither an eigenstate of position nor of momentum. When one measures the position of the particle, it is impossible to predict with certainty the result.[13] It is probable, but not certain, that it will be near x0, where the amplitude of the wave function is large. After the measurement is performed, having obtained some result x, the wave function collapses into a position eigenstate centered at x.[19]

                                              The time evolution of a quantum state is described by the Schrödinger equation, in which the Hamiltonian (the operator corresponding to the total energy of the system) generates time evolution. The time evolution of wave functions is deterministic in the sense that, given a wavefunction at an initial time, it makes a definite prediction of what the wavefunction will be at any later time.[20]

                                              During a measurement, on the other hand, the change of the wavefunction into another one is not deterministic; it is unpredictable, i.e. random. A time-evolution simulation can be seen here.[21][22] Wave functions can change as time progresses. An equation known as the Schrödinger equation describes how wavefunctions change in time, a role similar to Newton's second law in classical mechanics. The Schrödinger equation, applied to the aforementioned example of the free particle, predicts that the center of a wave packet will move through space at a constant velocity, like a classical particle with no forces acting on it. However, the wave packet will also spread out as time progresses, which means that the position becomes more uncertain. This also has the effect of turning position eigenstates (which can be thought of as infinitely sharp wave packets) into broadened wave packets that are no longer position eigenstates.[23]

                                              Fig. 1: Probability densities corresponding to the wavefunctions of an electron in a hydrogen atom possessing definite energy levels (increasing from the top of the image to the bottom: n = 1, 2, 3, ...) and angular momentum (increasing across from left to right: s, p, d, ...). Brighter areas correspond to higher probability density in a position measurement. Wavefunctions like these are directly comparable to Chladni's figures of acoustic modes of vibration in classical physics and are indeed modes of oscillation as well: they possess a sharp energy and thus a keen frequency. The angular momentum and energy are quantized, and only take on discrete values like those shown (as is the case for resonant frequencies in acoustics).
                                              Some wave functions produce probability distributions that are constant, or independent of time, such as when in a stationary state of constant energy, time drops out of the absolute square of the wave function. Many systems that are treated dynamically in classical mechanics are described by such "static" wave functions. For example, a single electron in an unexcited atom is pictured classically as a particle moving in a circular trajectory around the atomic nucleus, whereas in quantum mechanics it is described by a static, spherically symmetric wavefunction surrounding the nucleus (Fig. 1). (Note that only the lowest angular momentum states, labeled s, are spherically symmetric).[24]

                                              The Schrödinger equation acts on the entire probability amplitude, not merely its absolute value. Whereas the absolute value of the probability amplitude encodes information about probabilities, its phase encodes information about the interference between quantum states. This gives rise to the wave-like behavior of quantum states. It turns out that analytic solutions of Schrödinger's equation are only available for a small number of model Hamiltonians, of which the quantum harmonic oscillator, the particle in a box, the hydrogen molecular ion and the hydrogen atom are the most important representatives. Even the helium atom, which contains just one more electron than hydrogen, defies all attempts at a fully analytic treatment. There exist several techniques for generating approximate solutions. For instance, in the method known as perturbation theory one uses the analytic results for a simple quantum mechanical model to generate results for a more complicated model related to the simple model by, for example, the addition of a weak potential energy. Another method is the "semi-classical equation of motion" approach, which applies to systems for which quantum mechanics produces weak deviations from classical behavior. The deviations can be calculated based on the classical motion. This approach is important for the field of quantum chaos.

                                              There are numerous mathematically equivalent formulations of quantum mechanics. One of the oldest and most commonly used formulations is the transformation theory proposed by Cambridge theoretical physicist Paul Dirac, which unifies and generalizes the two earliest formulations of quantum mechanics, matrix mechanics (invented by Werner Heisenberg)[25][26] and wave mechanics (invented by Erwin Schrödinger).[27] In this formulation, the instantaneous state of a quantum system encodes the probabilities of its measurable properties, or "observables". Examples of observables include energy, position, momentum, and angular momentum. Observables can be either continuous (e.g., the position of a particle) or discrete (e.g., the energy of an electron bound to a hydrogen atom).[28] An alternative formulation of quantum mechanics is Feynman's path integral formulation, in which a quantum-mechanical amplitude is considered as a sum over histories between initial and final states; this is the quantum-mechanical counterpart of action principles in classical mechanics.

                                              [edit] Interactions with other scientific theories

                                              The rules of quantum mechanics are fundamental; they assert that the state space of a system is a Hilbert space and that observables of that system are Hermitian operators acting on that space; they do not tell us which Hilbert space or which operators. These can be chosen appropriately in order to obtain a quantitative description of a quantum system. An important guide for making these choices is the correspondence principle, which states that the predictions of quantum mechanics reduce to those of classical physics when a system moves to higher energies or, equivalently, larger quantum numbers (i.e. whereas a single particle exhibits a degree of randomness, in systems incorporating millions of particles averaging takes over and, at the high energy limit, the statistical probability of random behaviour approaches zero). In other words, classical mechanics is simply a quantum mechanics of large systems. This "high energy" limit is known as the classical or correspondence limit. One can even start from an established classical model of a particular system, and attempt to guess the underlying quantum model that would give rise to the classical model in the correspondence limit.

                                              Unsolved problems in physics

                                              In the correspondence limit of quantum mechanics: Is there a preferred interpretation of quantum mechanics? How does the quantum description of reality, which includes elements such as the "superposition of states" and "wavefunction collapse", give rise to the reality we perceive?

                                              When quantum mechanics was originally formulated, it was applied to models whose correspondence limit was non-relativistic classical mechanics. For instance, the well-known model of the quantum harmonic oscillator uses an explicitly non-relativistic expression for the kinetic energy of the oscillator, and is thus a quantum version of the classical harmonic oscillator.

                                              Early attempts to merge quantum mechanics with special relativity involved the replacement of the Schrödinger equation with a covariant equation such as the Klein-Gordon equation or the Dirac equation. While these theories were successful in explaining many experimental results, they had certain unsatisfactory qualities stemming from their neglect of the relativistic creation and annihilation of particles. A fully relativistic quantum theory required the development of quantum field theory, which applies quantization to a field rather than a fixed set of particles. The first complete quantum field theory, quantum electrodynamics, provides a fully quantum description of the electromagnetic interaction. The full apparatus of quantum field theory is often unnecessary for describing electrodynamic systems. A simpler approach, one employed since the inception of quantum mechanics, is to treat charged particles as quantum mechanical objects being acted on by a classical electromagnetic field. For example, the elementary quantum model of the hydrogen atom describes the electric field of the hydrogen atom using a classical Coulomb potential. This "semi-classical" approach fails if quantum fluctuations in the electromagnetic field play an important role, such as in the emission of photons by charged particles.

                                              Quantum field theories for the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force have been developed. The quantum field theory of the strong nuclear force is called quantum chromodynamics, and describes the interactions of subnuclear particles: quarks and gluons. The weak nuclear force and the electromagnetic force were unified, in their quantized forms, into a single quantum field theory known as electroweak theory, by the physicists Abdus Salam, Sheldon Glashow and Steven Weinberg. These three men shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979 for this work.[29]

                                              It has proven difficult to construct quantum models of gravity, the remaining fundamental force. Semi-classical approximations are workable, and have led to predictions such as Hawking radiation. However, the formulation of a complete theory of quantum gravity is hindered by apparent incompatibilities between general relativity, the most accurate theory of gravity currently known, and some of the fundamental assumptions of quantum theory. The resolution of these incompatibilities is an area of active research, and theories such as string theory are among the possible candidates for a future theory of quantum gravity.

                                              Classical mechanics has been extended into the complex domain, and complex classical mechanics exhibits behaviours similar to quantum mechanics.[30]

                                              [edit] Quantum mechanics and classical physics

                                              Predictions of quantum mechanics have been verified experimentally to an extremely high degree of accuracy. According to the correspondence principle between classical and quantum mechanics, all objects obey the laws of quantum mechanics, and classical mechanics is just an approximation for large systems (or a statistical quantum mechanics of a large collection of particles). The laws of classical mechanics thus follow from the laws of quantum mechanics as a statistical average at the limit of large systems or large quantum numbers.[31] However, chaotic systems do not have good quantum numbers, and quantum chaos studies the relationship between classical and quantum descriptions in these systems.

                                              Quantum coherence is an essential difference between classical and quantum theories, and is illustrated by the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox. Quantum interference involves adding together probability amplitudes, whereas classical waves infer that there is an adding together of intensities. For microscopic bodies, the extension of the system is much smaller than the coherence length, which gives rise to long-range entanglement and other nonlocal phenomena characteristic of quantum systems.[32] Quantum coherence is not typically evident at macroscopic scales, although an exception to this rule can occur at extremely low temperatures, when quantum behavior can manifest itself on more macroscopic scales (see Bose-Einstein condensate and Quantum machine). This is in accordance with the following observations:
                                              Many macroscopic properties of a classical system are a direct consequences of the quantum behavior of its parts. For example, the stability of bulk matter (which consists of atoms and molecules which would quickly collapse under electric forces alone), the rigidity of solids, and the mechanical, thermal, chemical, optical and magnetic properties of matter are all results of the interaction of electric charges under the rules of quantum mechanics.[33]
                                              While the seemingly exotic behavior of matter posited by quantum mechanics and relativity theory become more apparent when dealing with extremely fast-moving or extremely tiny particles, the laws of classical Newtonian physics remain accurate in predicting the behavior of the vast majority of large objects—of the order of the size of large molecules and bigger—at velocities much smaller than the velocity of light.[34]

                                              [edit] Relativity and quantum mechanics
                                              Main articles: Quantum gravity and Theory of everything
                                              Even with the defining postulates of both Einstein's theory of general relativity and quantum theory being indisputably supported by rigorous and repeated empirical evidence and while they do not directly contradict each other theoretically (at least with regard to primary claims), they are resistant to being incorporated within one cohesive model.[35]

                                              Einstein himself is well known for rejecting some of the claims of quantum mechanics. While clearly contributing to the field, he did not accept the more philosophical consequences and interpretations of quantum mechanics, such as the lack of deterministic causality (he is famously quoted as saying in response to this aspect, "My God does not play with dice") and the assertion that a single subatomic particle can occupy numerous areas of space at one time. He also was the first to notice some of the apparently exotic consequences of entanglement and used them to formulate the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox, in the hope of showing that quantum mechanics had unacceptable implications. This was 1935, but in 1964 it was shown by John Bell (see Bell inequality) that, although Einstein was correct in identifying seemingly paradoxical implications of quantum mechanical nonlocality, these implications could be experimentally tested. Alain Aspect's initial experiments in 1982, and many subsequent experiments since, have verified quantum entanglement.

                                              Courtesy of Wikipedia

                                              • 5 votes
                                              Reply#17 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:08 AM EST
                                              dakaiser11

                                              I liked the part about Schrodinger's equation and time-evolutions. :)

                                              • 4 votes
                                              #17.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:22 AM EST
                                              Abby.

                                              Ta luvvy!
                                              *hugs*
                                              :D

                                              • 5 votes
                                              #17.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:31 AM EST
                                              TheJackel

                                              Oh Abby that post deserves some serious love! :P...!!! <Picks you up in a bear hug and spins around giggling!> :P

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #17.3 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 10:22 PM EST
                                              Abby.

                                              Thakyou, Darlin'!
                                              *smooches*

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #17.4 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:30 PM EST
                                              WatcherInTheShadows

                                              I like Einstein. He was honest. I remember reading a quote somewhere that the only problem he could find with Quantum Theory was that it conflicted with his philosophy as a determinist.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #17.5 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST
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                                              Andrew331978

                                              WTF? Boy and I thought the other guy starting with an "i" was bad. These two deserve each other. I predict a "Jesus freaks" team up in the future. What do you guys think?

                                              • 4 votes
                                              Reply#18 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:13 AM EST
                                              Abby.

                                              Ahem......
                                              I'm an Atheist.
                                              I posted about Quantum Mechanics, not Jesus.
                                              *shudder*

                                              • 8 votes
                                              #18.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 6:48 AM EST
                                              grump in NM

                                              There are things you think.

                                              There are things you know.

                                              There are things you think you know.

                                              Miguel has nothing to offer me.

                                              • 8 votes
                                              #18.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:14 AM EST
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                                              Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                              Children, IF you are so smart, how come you are here cuddling here with me? Perhaps it is warmer to talk near to the fire or at the source of light even when it is just to talk about borrowed light such as that of Einstein and others. Or, If you like so much to talks about quantum mechanics or the most diminutive intricacies of matter and the universe, how come you are here with somebody that it did not even graduate from High School as most if not all of you?

                                              Yet, with all your mutter and that of your teachers that feed you, you have not been able to put gravitation on the lab. Neither has any of you or them from the scientific community harmonized the unified field theory that could explain in simple mathematical terms the emergence, the development and interaction of the fundamental forces of the universe such as gravitation, electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the electro weak nuclear force. I did in fornt of your very own eyes and you even did not notice it.

                                              But if in the early years of High school, had you put your brain to work you would have discovered these fact in about half an hour of hard study and it perhaps, would have taken you another six months to prove it either right or wrong. This is what I did and I was bored. And I just brought it to light by showing you a fancy diagram that explains the four states of reality of all things, and it even proves the existence of GOD and which is called Universal compass, and which you have mocked. But you are so entangled in myrrh or unfounded false knowledge that your eyes are blocked and you cannot see it in the light of truth. You do not even comprehend what truth is.

                                              Perhaps if you were to return to the basics, en in the days of Russell, even a bit before the scientific community lost itself in translation when they were dounfounded at the discovery of the strong nuclear force and intricacies, you could learn something.

                                              At least Esintein after all concluded that the organization of matter both in the micro and the macro cosmos had to be engineered by an intelligent being, for nothing comes from nothing. And that nothing that exists could not have come to pass by chance. You ignorantly betray your teachers with you adulation and purported knowledge of science. Einstein and perhaps other prominent minds are rolling in their graves in shame as you mention them with little or no understanding of their work or studies. For instead of advancing their work, you have stalled and your wisdom and understanding has been hid and given unto babes.

                                              Now when you catch up with some real science if you can, I would perhaps share with you ro the world my particular studies on these particular subjects, but this is not the place nor time, neither you are worthy. For even before you were troubled with the erroneous notions of global warming, I had put gravitation on the lab, I had discovered the real cause of the baffling effects of the phenomena of EL Niño and la Nina, and had concluded the unification of the field theory. And my intense study is called, Project GEL or Gravitation, Electromagnetism and Light. And it explains in simple terms the engineering and the engendering of all celestial bodies. If you had done your homework practiced the scientific process and knew somewhat of the pattern about the organization of life and matter, you would have a better idea how the small and the big universe really works. But as the scripture say:

                                              For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

                                              (New Testament | 2 Timothy 4:3 - 4)

                                              Unfortunately, I am reluctant to go into these subjects of science because I have more important things to do such as to work my own salvation and to prepare to meet God, my savior and my heavenly Fahter like my ancient fathers. For like my fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who were taught these things by God, himself, I also have other things to enquire of him. For if you did not know of it, it is easier to get knowledge by faith than by study. And with the knowledge that proceeds from God no man can err. And I have enquired of him for he said to me:

                                              Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

                                              (Old Testament | Isaiah 1:16 - 20)

                                              And I was not rebellious nor did I turn away my face from him for I needed a lot of correction and I still do. And then he said unto me:

                                              Let us reason even as a man reasoneth one with another face to face. Now, when a man reasoneth he is understood of man, because he reasoneth as a man; even so will I, the Lord, reason with you that you may understand.

                                              (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 50:11 - 12)

                                              Now, this is the father that teaches me and I have wanted to share him and his tender mercies with you but you continually refuse to know him. And that is why he has hid his face from you and from all unbelievers for that matter. But he has sent me to you freom day to day, all day long and even on the night, perhaps you would be persuaded to believe in him for he is calling you to repentace, and yet you are refusing him. And this takes away the justification from you and entreats you to even deeper darkness until you lose even the light that you think you have. For of this it is also written and which is being fulfilled in your very own eyes and you cannot deny it. For behold, thus siath the LORD:

                                              I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.

                                              Cursed is he that putteth his trust in man, or maketh flesh his arm, or shall hearken unto the precepts of men, save their precepts shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.

                                              Wo be unto the Gentiles, saith the Lord God of Hosts! For notwithstanding I shall lengthen out mine arm unto them from day to day, they will deny me; nevertheless, I will be merciful unto them, saith the Lord God, if they will repent and come unto me; for mine arm is lengthened out all the day long, saith the Lord God of Hosts.

                                              (Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 28:30 - 32)

                                                Reply#19 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM EST
                                                gordy327

                                                Children, IF you are so smart, how come you are here cuddling here with me?

                                                Because we could use a good laugh! :P

                                                Yet, with all your mutter and that of your teachers that feed you, you have not been able to put gravitation on the lab.

                                                Yet, with all your dogma and rhetoric, you have not been able to prove there's a god.

                                                how come you are here with somebody that it did not even graduate from High School as most if not all of you?

                                                You didn't graduate from high school? Well, that explains a lot.

                                                and it even proves the existence of GOD and which is called Universal compass

                                                No, not even a little bit.

                                                Now when you catch up with some real science if you can, I would perhaps share with you ro the world my particular studies on these particular subjects

                                                Because you know more than actual scientists, right? Riiight! >sarc<

                                                , I am reluctant to go into these subjects of science because I have more important things to do such as to work my own salvation and to prepare to meet God

                                                I somehow doubt you are familiar with any science!

                                                • 8 votes
                                                #19.1 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 9:56 PM EST
                                                Abby.

                                                Seconded!
                                                *Abby gives Gordy a big smooch & smiles*

                                                • 6 votes
                                                #19.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:34 PM EST
                                                Artie-3438207

                                                At least Einstein after all concluded that the organization of matter both in the micro and the macro cosmos had to be engineered by an intelligent being, for nothing comes from nothing.

                                                Einstein did not believe in a personal, caring god. He said that religion is childish superstition.

                                                And that nothing that exists could not have come to pass by chance.

                                                Well, you are a product of chance, or do you think it was all planned? Are genetic mutations planned? Is natural selection planned? Is environmental change planned? Is nature so manipulated at every turn, from the largest to the smallest detail?

                                                You ignorantly betray your teachers with you adulation and purported knowledge of science. Einstein and perhaps other prominent minds are rolling in their graves in shame as you mention them with little or no understanding of their work or studies.

                                                Well then, I forgive you, as you are being manipulated the by the machinations of your own delusions.

                                                • 7 votes
                                                #19.3 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 2:09 AM EST
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                                                grump in NM

                                                Miguel, the hate and ugliness you have shown us has led more people away. Your approach does not bring people to God.

                                                You are devoid of kindness, love and compassion for your fellow man. Christ was full of kindness, love and compassion. You are not.

                                                • 7 votes
                                                Reply#20 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 12:05 AM EST
                                                katrix

                                                But he's Jesus - he said so. He personally gets to judge us into perdition!

                                                • 6 votes
                                                #20.1 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 12:18 AM EST
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                                                SciThinker

                                                religion: causing what would normally be a rational person to believe nitwits and their rantings.

                                                • 3 votes
                                                Reply#21 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 12:49 AM EST
                                                Spooky Boyfriend

                                                Migs, keep on rockin' in the free world.

                                                  Reply#22 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 1:19 AM EST
                                                  Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                                  Zion, January 8, 2012

                                                  Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.

                                                  For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

                                                  (Pearl of Great Price | Moses 1:39)

                                                  Simply perceptible, immortality and eternal life are two different things. Immortality means simply to live forever and Eternal life means to live forever in the presence of GOD.

                                                  Why then do you take counsel among yourselves and deny the existence of the true and living GOD? The Jesus Christ I know, the savior of the world, HE did come to save the world from their sins and NOT in their sins. If we desire to inherit heaven, we need to speedily repent and forsake our sins and amend our ways as the prophet Jeremiah said, for no unclean thing can dwell in the presence of GOD.

                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SbQqZlDBQU

                                                  Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour; If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt: Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever. Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.

                                                  (Old Testament | Jeremiah 7:4 - 11)

                                                  Salvation or immortality is a free gift to all living creatures, gentlemen, but internal life in the highest heaven or to obtain Eternal life in the presence of GOD, is something we have to work to earn or achieve and which is given as a right by grace and mercy but only after we have done all we can by works or by fulfilling all righteousness. But we first have to exercise faith in Christ for the gift of repentance, by offering unto the LORD an acceptable sacrifice, that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And then we need to be baptized by immersion for the remission of sins in his Holy name; and also we need receive the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying of hands under those in authority in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Then we must still work our salvation with fear and trembling keeping the holy commandments and the laws of God until the end of our lives. But only if it is that we desire to be saved by grace and mercy after having done all we can in obedience to GOD.

                                                  Now, the LORD loves and tolerates the sinner but cannot see sin with the least degree of allowance. This is the part that most of you do not get and this is the reason why most people hate GOD and some even curse him. He came to save us from sin not in our sins. For he, the LORD preaches repentance even since the beginning of the world by the Holy Ghost, by angels and by his duly appointed ministers, repentance unto a wicked and perverse world before the great and dreadful day of the LORD when he shall make his appearance in Glory when the gift of repentance would not very little or nothing for us if it is given. And a great many have been condemned and destroyed in wickedness due to hardness of heart and unbelief. And these are not by words but the words of God which say:

                                                  For if I, who am a man, do lift up my voice and call upon you to repent, and ye hate me, what will ye say when the day cometh when the thunders shall utter their voices from the ends of the earth, speaking to the ears of all that live, saying—Repent, and prepare for the great day of the Lord?

                                                  Yea, and again, when the lightnings shall streak forth from the east unto the west, and shall utter forth their voices unto all that live, and make the ears of all tingle that hear, saying these words—Repent ye, for the great day of the Lord is come? And again, the Lord shall utter his voice out of heaven, saying: Hearken, O ye nations of the earth, and hear the words of that God who made you. O, ye nations of the earth, how often would I have gathered you together as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, but ye would not! How oft have I called upon you by the mouth of my servants, and by the ministering of angels, and by mine own voice, and by the voice of thunderings, and by the voice of lightnings, and by the voice of tempests, and by the voice of earthquakes, and great hailstorms, and by the voice of famines and pestilences of every kind, and by the great sound of a trump, and by the voice of judgment, and by the voice of mercy all the day long, and by the voice of glory and honor and the riches of eternal life, and would have saved you with an everlasting salvation, but ye would not! Behold, the day has come, when the cup of the wrath of mine indignation is full. Behold, verily I say unto you, that these are the words of the Lord your God.

                                                  (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 43:21 - 27)

                                                  Had not GOD loved you, he would have not sent his only begotten son in the meridian of times for the remission of sins; and me for that matter in the latter days as was John the Baptist, to preach repentance to you. And in doing so, we prepare the way of the LORD and make his path straight. And this is also who we get rid of your blood from our garments. For everyone that has been warned need to warn its fellow men. THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE LIFE AND THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. AND HE IS ALSO THE WAY, for he said FOLLOW ME. We, his servants only show unto all the children of men the path to follow. W e recede while he is glorified and exalted. And he has commissioned us to do his work, his strange work.

                                                  And as you see, I am not slacking bit in this purpose, for we have been transacting a great many words for a few days. And I have absorbed your mocking, your reproaches and your spitting. And you have called me crazy or a mad man. Not only is that, but to preach repentance unto the world, despite your carnal, sensual and devils perception one of the greatest acts of kindness and love from a stranger to strangers. All I have done is to declare unto you the consequences of sin and how to avoid them if you will come unto Christ.

                                                  Therefore, I have despite your insufferable unbelief been here answering with the truth most of your questions. It is not me you reject, but the LORD. What you despise is that I came to drop cold water n your party of wickedness and testify of your sins and your evil deeds. Indeed this is a wicked and perverse generation; and the generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell. Had Christ come nowadays as he did in the meridian of times, you alike the Jews of the generation, you would also have rejected and crucified him as that wicked and perverse generation did. OF this I bear solemn witness, and I have already sealed the law and the testimony with my own blood, and your reward is made sure.

                                                  Now, as most, if not all who have preceded me, who also have sealed the law and the testimony with their own blood, my commission is not necessarily to proselyte, but to reprove the world for their evil deeds. I am also in need of repentance for the LORD has not found my works perfect. And this is why I write about the light, so that multitude of sins are erased from me; and so that you could learn the truth before being reproved by it, but you chose the latter.

                                                  Again, I am not the light, but to bear witness of it as boldly as it gets. Can’t you read that my name is Miguel or Michael? And to honor that name I have to act like unto God in every which way to prove that his gospel is true and that is the doctrine of the father whose name is like mine or mine like into his, only backwards. And the spirit that compels me to write the truth unto you is the spirit of God or Elohim which is in me. I am the least in the kingdom of God on earth, and an unworthy instrument in the hands of Christ. My ancient father did as I am doing now and they were also mocked by their peers as you are doing with me and a great many of them were destroyed in the due time of the LORD as you will be destroyed unless you speedily repent. Search your words and you will see that you have done likewise the wicked of previous generations have done to the prophets of GOD.

                                                  I myself was a sinner perhaps worst than most of you; however, I was not incredulous and I exercised faith in Jesus Christ for repentance. I searched the truth in the Holy Scriptures for correction so that I that I could be save me or spare me from eternal damnation. I am a pure Israelite, from the lost tribes of the House of Israel, and by thirst after righteousness; I applied all the scriptures unto me. And by way of commandment I must declare them. For the LORD has chosen me among my peers, and it was in the fire of affliction. And he has called me to be a prophet unto the nations and a light unto the gentiles, even like Jesus, his apostles and even Paul. And I have seen many visions and heard many things to holy to utter. Yea, I even applied to me even all the ugly scriptures that no one wants to read and I was not rebellious, nor did I turn my face away from the LORD. Yea the scriptures where the LORD says boldly:

                                                  HEAR ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The LORD of hosts is his name. I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

                                                  Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass; I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them. Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them. Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb. For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

                                                  Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

                                                  Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

                                                  All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

                                                  Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

                                                  (Old Testament | Isaiah 48:1 - 16)

                                                  Now brethren, it bothers me sorely that many intelligent souls like you are choosing the road to perdition. And this is the reason for my anxiety; yea, to spare you the eternal pain of which I myself may have tasted a little. And it because I have been so bold you have rejected all my words and counsel together against me in this site. And it is because I am not an adulator, I will not patronize you in your wickedness as false friends or brethren do. This is why I come here to take a stand on these high walls or virtual portals, to preach nothing anew, but news to the sinners. And like unto my fathers did in their generation hoping that at least one soul will be persuaded to search these things diligently NI do also hope.

                                                  And I would like to reference one ancient patriarch called Enoch, who was also a preacher of righteousness. And he was short of speech and when journeying by the sea east, he was called into his ministry directly by the voice of GOD. And Enoch was in the same predicament that I am with you all today here; yea, even also by the seas east, where I am also a man short of speech, and who received my commission or commandments in the dessert of my affliction. And who was commissioned to write all that the LORD puts in my heart and in my mind, hoping that my added testimony to his, will help you to rend that veil of darkness that covers your eyes and prevents you from seeing the truth. And this is why I write, to keep the commandments. And for your comparison, these are the words of the ministry of Enoch, let him who has eyes to read, let him understand.

                                                  And it came to pass that Enoch went forth in the land, among the people, standing upon the hills and the high places, and cried with a loud voice, testifying against their works; and all men were offended because of him. And they came forth to hear him, upon the high places, saying unto the tent–keepers: Tarry ye here and keep the tents, while we go yonder to behold the seer, for he prophesieth, and there is a strange thing in the land; a wild man hath come among us.

                                                  And it came to pass when they heard him, no man laid hands on him; for fear came on all them that heard him; for he walked with God. And there came a man unto him, whose name was Mahijah, and said unto him: Tell us plainly who thou art, and from whence thou comest? And he said unto them: I came out from the land of Cainan, the land of my fathers, a land of righteousness unto this day. And my father taught me in all the ways of God.

                                                  And it came to pass, as I journeyed from the land of Cainan, by the sea east, I beheld a vision; and lo, the heavens I saw, and the Lord spake with me, and gave me commandment; wherefore, for this cause, to keep the commandment, I speak forth these words. And Enoch continued his speech, saying: The Lord which spake with me, the same is the God of heaven, and he is my God, and your God, and ye are my brethren, and why counsel ye yourselves, and deny the God of heaven?

                                                  The heavens he made; the earth is his footstool; and the foundation thereof is his. Behold, he laid it, an host of men hath he brought in upon the face thereof. And death hath come upon our fathers; nevertheless we know them, and cannot deny, and even the first of all we know, even Adam. For a book of remembrance we have written among us, according to the pattern given by the finger of God; and it is given in our own language.

                                                  And as Enoch spake forth the words of God, the people trembled, and could not stand in his presence. And he said unto them: Because that Adam fell, we are; and by his fall came death; and we are made partakers of misery and woe.

                                                  Behold Satan hath come among the children of men, and tempteth them to worship him; and men have become carnal, sensual, and devilish, and are shut out from the presence of God. But God hath made known unto our fathers that all men must repent. And he called upon our father Adam by his own voice, saying: I am God; I made the world, and men before they were in the flesh.

                                                  And he also said unto him: If thou wilt turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, and believe, and repent of all thy transgressions, and be baptized, even in water, in the name of mine Only Begotten Son, who is full of grace and truth, which is Jesus Christ, the only name which shall be given under heaven, whereby salvation shall come unto the children of men, ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, asking all things in his name, and whatsoever ye shall ask, it shall be given you. And our father Adam spake unto the Lord, and said: Why is it that men must repent and be baptized in water? And the Lord said unto Adam: Behold I have forgiven thee thy transgression in the Garden of Eden.

                                                  Hence came the saying abroad among the people, that the Son of God hath atoned for original guilt, wherein the sins of the parents cannot be answered upon the heads of the children, for they are whole from the foundation of the world.

                                                  And the Lord spake unto Adam, saying: Inasmuch as thy children are conceived in sin, even so when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good. And it is given unto them to know good from evil; wherefore they are agents unto themselves, and I have given unto you another law and commandment.

                                                  Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge, who shall come in the meridian of time.

                                                  Therefore I give unto you a commandment, to teach these things freely unto your children, saying: That by reason of transgression cometh the fall, which fall bringeth death, and inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water, and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be born again into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory; For by the water ye keep the commandment; by the Spirit ye are justified, and by the blood ye are sanctified; Therefore it is given to abide in you; the record of heaven; the Comforter; the peaceable things of immortal glory; the truth of all things; that which quickeneth all things, which maketh alive all things; that which knoweth all things, and hath all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice, and judgment.

                                                  And now, behold, I say unto you: This is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time. And behold, all things have their likeness, and all things are created and made to bear record of me, both things which are temporal, and things which are spiritual; things which are in the heavens above, and things which are on the earth, and things which are in the earth, and things which are under the earth, both above and beneath: all things bear record of me.

                                                  And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water. And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man. And he heard a voice out of heaven, saying: Thou art baptized with fire, and with the Holy Ghost. This is the record of the Father, and the Son, from henceforth and forever; And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity. Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons. Amen.

                                                  (Pearl of Great Price | Moses 6:37 - 68)

                                                  Now, brethren, it appears that some of you are offended because I compare myself to these men, or even better, to Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living GOD. But the scriptures that you reject make it plainly manifest that we are engendered sons and daughters unto God by the merits of his only begotten son, even Jesus Christ. For as Adam and Christ were baptized, so are we, and we are with them partakers of eternal salvation. And when we endeavor to be obedient unto him in keeping all his commandment at all peril we are given power by the power of the Holy Ghost in righteousness which is ultimate freedom to see as they see, to do as they do and to be like they are. Or in other words to be one in them and they one with us.

                                                  Now instead of being angry at me, you should be angry at the scientific community that has strip you from the ability to believe and also to the devil and the so called Christian sectarianism that has blinded you so deep that you cannot even believe a portion of my words to exercise the minimum amount of faith.

                                                  So was I. I was told that my ancestors, the principal progenitors of the American Indians were a mixture of many races, that populated this continent and came by the straight of Bearing. They wanted me to remain in individual and collective darkness, in idolatry and without a definite identity. And they blinded me with their vain and false theories that do not conform with the facts of truth; and form the covenants and promises that the GOD made with my fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. But the Book of Mormon, the record that ma forefathers left behind before they dwindled in unbelief and before they degenerated and were destroyed, has been unearthed. And as the prophets fore told in the psalms, truth have sprung from the earth and righteousness has smiled to us from heaven. The LORD has remembered his people, the wilderness shall blossom and Jacob will flourish as the rose for mercy and truth have met together.

                                                  LORD, thou hast been favourable unto thy land: thou hast brought back the captivity of Jacob. Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah. Thou hast taken away all thy wrath: thou hast turned thyself from the fierceness of thine anger. Turn us, O God of our salvation, and cause thine anger toward us to cease. Wilt thou be angry with us for ever? wilt thou draw out thine anger to all generations? Wilt thou not revive us again: that thy people may rejoice in thee? Shew us thy mercy, O LORD, and grant us thy salvation. I will hear what God the LORD will speak: for he will speak peace unto his people, and to his saints: but let them not turn again to folly. Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land. Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other. Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase. Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.

                                                  (Old Testament | Psalms 85:1 - 13)

                                                  And all this, even the words that you are now reading, came to pass by the power of God and not of man. And as a result, the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ was restored on earth, and also his kingdom with power and great glory to never vanish away as long as the earth stands. And this I write so you doubt not of my kindness to you in showing you the tender mercies of GOD. Only if you will believe and chose Eternal life instead of just immortality in any other place!!! And this is the testimony I bear, in the Holy name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

                                                  Attentively, an unworthy Servant it the hands of Christ

                                                  Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                                  Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders. And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.

                                                  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD. Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will melt them, and try them; for how shall I do for the daughter of my people? Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait. Shall I not visit them for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

                                                  For the mountains will I take up a weeping and wailing, and for the habitations of the wilderness a lamentation, because they are burned up, so that none can pass through them; neither can men hear the voice of the cattle; both the fowl of the heavens and the beast are fled; they are gone. And I will make JerUSAlem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

                                                  Who is the wise man, that may understand this? and who is he to whom the mouth of the LORD hath spoken, that he may declare it, for what the land perisheth and is burned up like a wilderness, that none passeth through? And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein; But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them: Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will feed them, even this people, with wormwood, and give them water of gall to drink.

                                                  (Old Testament | Jeremiah 9:4 - 15)

                                                  If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

                                                  (Old Testament | 2 Chronicles 7:13 - 16)

                                                    Reply#23 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:36 PM EST
                                                    grump in NM

                                                    So? And then what?

                                                    • 8 votes
                                                    #23.1 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 9:58 PM EST
                                                    Dennis P McCann

                                                    I didn't get past this:

                                                    Zion, January 8, 2012

                                                    • 11 votes
                                                    #23.2 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:10 PM EST
                                                    Abby.

                                                    *snicker*

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    #23.3 - Sun Jan 8, 2012 11:33 PM EST
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                                                    Artie-3438207

                                                    Now instead of being angry at me, you should be angry at the scientific community...and also the devil and the so called Christian sectarianism...

                                                    But I can't-not after the laugh attack I just suffered through, thanks to Grump & Co...:D

                                                    • 5 votes
                                                    Reply#24 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 1:00 AM EST
                                                    Abby.

                                                    Thankyou, Artie!
                                                    *smooches*
                                                    :D

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #24.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 4:25 AM EST
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                                                    Miguel Angel Tinoco RodriguezExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                    This was the fate of Korihor and that is the same fate youwill run when your house is left unit you desolate.

                                                    Therefore, watch up yourself in the road Gordy, you may end up like ketchup or trodden under foot like a tomato for perverting the ways of the LORD. Take it easy with the jelly pastries also, smart guy, they may clog up your arteries and stop your heart. For this is the end of wickedness like you and their cat minded supporters. Here is what you may expect shortly to come to pass. For of such it is written:

                                                    And it came to pass that the curse was not taken off of Korihor; but he was cast out, and went about from house to house begging for his food. Now the knowledge of what had happened unto Korihor was immediately published throughout all the land; yea, the proclamation was sent forth by the chief judge to all the people in the land, declaring unto those who had believed in the words of Korihor that they must speedily repent, lest the same judgments would come unto them.

                                                    And it came to pass that they were all convinced of the wickedness of Korihor; therefore they were all converted again unto the Lord; and this put an end to the iniquity after the manner of Korihor.

                                                    And Korihor did go about from house to house, begging food for his support. And it came to pass that as he went forth among the people, yea, among a people who had separated themselves from the Nephites and called themselves Zoramites, being led by a man whose name was Zoram—and as he went forth amongst them, behold, he was run upon and trodden down, even until he was dead.

                                                    And thus we see the end of him who perverteth the ways of the Lord; and thus we see that the devil will not support his children at the last day, but doth speedily drag them down to hell.

                                                    (Book of Mormon | Alma 30:56 - 60)

                                                      Reply#25 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 9:20 AM EST
                                                      Dennis P McCann

                                                      Just a question here, Miguel, but, um, WTF are you talking about?

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      #25.1 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 9:34 AM EST
                                                      grump in NM

                                                      Miguel, A quote from you above:

                                                      Take it easy with the jelly pastries also, smart guy, they may clog up your arteries and stop your heart.

                                                      This information comes from the scientific community. You say I should be mad at the scientific community. You are a hypocrite.

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      #25.2 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 9:53 AM EST
                                                      ngp256

                                                      Is that a threat against Gordy Miguel? That sounds very much like a threat.

                                                      btw, I would rather be cat minded, than sheep minded....jus sayin.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #25.3 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 10:16 AM EST
                                                      gordy327

                                                      Is that a threat against Gordy Miguel? That sounds very much like a threat.

                                                      Why, I do believe it is. If nothing else, it's just nutter nonsense.

                                                      Here is what you may expect shortly to come to pass. For of such it is written:

                                                      And I'm sure you believe everything that's written or that's told to you, right. Sounds like the very definition of guillable. Or weak minded.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #25.4 - Mon Jan 9, 2012 11:13 AM EST
                                                      dakaiser11

                                                      Wow. I've never been to a place where the author's comment was collapsed by community before! (Maybe I just tend towards more moderate authors)

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #25.5 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:09 PM EST
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                                                      voiceofwarning

                                                      DID YOU MISS ME?

                                                      THE GENERATION OF VIPERS SHALL NOT ESCAPE THE DAMNATION OF HELL!!!

                                                      Zion, January, 10th 2012

                                                      As is the mother, so is her daughter.

                                                      Dear MSNBC and/or the Newsvine code of honor guardians, even to Turner and Sally and to Sally and Turner and all those great and small who represent these houses of press for that matter.

                                                      The reason I am writing to you today, is to ask you in a solemn and satisfactory manner to please reinstate my account at your news vine site on account of the spiritual importance of my work regardless attention or belief. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT BUT I AM KINDLY ASKING FOR IT. The choice is always yours. And this is the reason why I ask for it, whether you are initiated or not in the heavenly art of prophecy and revelation.

                                                      You have chosen to ban me or have suspended me from using my account in your MSNBC Newsvine site as a result of truth. In other words, you have chosen a plague of scarab scoundrels and mocking birds over the true rain to the vine. They are the ones you should have suspended and not me. If you just knew how they expressed themselves bout you after you suspended me. That alone should tell you the plague of terror you are dealing with. In any case, it was not the vine that chose me, but it was I who chose the vine to conduct the marvelous and strange work of the LORD as a special witness unto the truth.

                                                      My work may not be important or attractive to the masses, but it serves a higher purpose behind the scenes. It confesses boldly the sins of the people and the consequences thereof, both temporal and eternal, so that they are not suddenly taken by the devil and go into captivity in ignorance by an enemy that they never met. It is a social service of great import in view of the ignorance of many. And by shutting me down, you are yielding to terror, and asking for torment, for those scoundrels that I have mentioned who you have preferred to listen over me, who are indeed a plague to the vine do wish the heavens to be shut down so that there is no spiritual rain. Even though most do not care, there must be one soul here or there that is searching for what I have to offer. This in consequence, endangers the spiritual and temporal well being of the elderly, the youth and even the raising generation. And that will bring torment to a great many souls as a result of spiritual darkness. And they have made you and your house, that is MSNBC AND the NEWSVINE, an accessory to their wicked purpose whether they or you know it or not. For I know that the devil is whispering in their ears lies and deceptions, which they freely publish and in so doing they carry this people into captivity. For if your support their work you support them.

                                                      Now, if you knew who writes upon these walls or virtual portals, you would move out of the way indeed give complete clearance. My work is genuine, unedited, meaningful and full of purpose. I use my true and legal name and no pseudo names, for I am responsible before man and GOD for every word that proceeds from my hand. And everything I do, I ascribe it with proper authority to Jesus Christ, which is greater than mine. I am serious and I am not here to entertain or to play with fire.

                                                      You as representatives of journalism, are committing a greater crimes than what I may have done breaking your so called code of honor. Since when do serpents have honor? Are you going to shut me down because I call you serpents or the more subtle creatures that exists in nature? If you do, it is because you believe that you are or maybe you do not believe it. As far as I know, you are human beings not serpents. It is a true figurative speech; and as such you may or may not understand it. Nonetheless is the way of expression I utilize for myself in order to transact or rain ideas and knowledge from heaven in the world. This is the refreshment or the latter rain and yet you will not hear me. But if you shut me down, you have and are censoring the truth, infringing upon freedom of speech and obstructing divine justice. In other words, you are committing crimes against journalism; or you are eating your very own tail in a vicious cycle as a counterproductive snake. You are infringing upon the civil freedom and liberty civil of an American citizen who is expressing his beliefs and views with tested words on a public site that you use for gain or commercial purposes. Despite your so called codes of honor, what you have done is a violation of local and federal law. And if I can keep digging, you may also be committing discrimination on the basis of gender, race, and religious belief.

                                                      In any case, if you are bored, I think you should consider or pass my words to someone with more authority in your organization and who can have the intellect to considerer the gravity of your offenses. For I have no need to break your laws or codes, unless they are unrighteous, for I keep the laws of God, which are more strict and higher than the laws of men and even the laws of the land. That means that I am a law abiding citizen, who is minding his own business whose right is guaranteed by the laws of the land.

                                                      Now Tuner, I hope you have heard the proverb that says like father like son. I must turn my attention to you particularly and give you a portion of torment by making you and Sally responsible for what will shortly come to pass. And I will ascribe unto you the sins of all these scarabs, scoundrels and mocking birds that you have listened to. For of this it is written:

                                                      Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it. In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beer-sheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

                                                      And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day: And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.

                                                      (Old Testament | Amos 8:9 - 14)

                                                      I am a witness of Jesus Christ and I am given liberty to ask and receive whatever I want from heaven, even to smite the earth with famine and plagues as often as I want it. And it will be granted. But, I wish no evil, for I am not totally exempt from suffering peril also, for the LORD is not a respecter of persons and not everyone in my family and my friends are obedient. This is why I preach repentance day and night, so that I am not compelled to ask for mischief when warranted. But the judgments usually come by the voice of the people and the desire in their hearts. And those scarab scoundrels want a famine. They represent the wickedness of the world you live in; and that is why I was concentrated in addressing them, so that they and not the people do suffer what the judgments of God approach us. Are you going to allow them to speak for you and drag you with them to woe and misery? Now of this it is also written:

                                                      And there were exceedingly many prophets among us. And the people were a stiffnecked people, hard to understand. And there was nothing save it was exceeding harshness, preaching and prophesying of wars, and contentions, and destructions, and continually reminding them of death, and the duration of eternity, and the judgments and the power of God, and all these things—stirring them up continually to keep them in the fear of the Lord.

                                                      I say there was nothing short of these things, and exceedingly great plainness of speech, would keep them from going down speedily to destruction. And after this manner do I write concerning them.

                                                      (Book of Mormon | Enos 1:22 - 23)

                                                      Now it is your turn, Sally, and as I said to turner, I hope you have heard the old proverb that says: As is the mother, so is her daughter, for I will judge you as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged.

                                                      In other words I will compare you to Babylon. We in truth would have healed the world or Babylon from mischief with balm, from Gilead; yea, I am speaking about that great harlot that has spread corruption on the earth. And we are commanded to forsake her for her iniquity has reached up heaven. This is the fate that awaits her, for of her it is also written:

                                                      Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

                                                      We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

                                                      The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God.

                                                      Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.

                                                      Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon.

                                                      O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. The LORD of hosts hath sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill thee with men, as with caterpillers; and they shall lift up a shout against thee. He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding. When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens; and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth: he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures. Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.

                                                      (Old Testament | Jeremiah 51:7 - 18)

                                                      Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.

                                                      They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords. And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more. So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry. Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord GOD: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations. Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.

                                                      (Old Testament | Ezekiel 16:35 - 44)

                                                      And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it. And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled;

                                                      (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:94 - 95)

                                                      Therefore, oh inhabitants of the earth, fear God and give Glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come. These words have come through inspiration so that you know what awaits you as individuals, as a nation and as a world. I was not expecting to begin my work so soon, but it has come as a result of your own actions. In other words, you have unleashed a sequence of events that in the due time of the LORD will bring about the next apocalypse. For the law and the testimony has already been sealed even with blood.

                                                      Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth. Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech. Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground? When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and the rie in their place? For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod. Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen.

                                                      This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

                                                      (Old Testament | Isaiah 28:22 - 29)

                                                      And these things I do not say of myself, but as the LORD has spoken, he shall also fulfill, and I do what I do, with a single eye for the honor and glory of God, with proper authority and in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ, amen.

                                                      Attentively, yours, an unworthy servant in the hands of Christ

                                                      Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez

                                                      And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

                                                      (New Testament | Revelation 14:6 - 8)

                                                        #26 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:41 AM EST
                                                        Dennis P McCann

                                                        DID YOU MISS ME?

                                                        Nope. Anyone else?

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.1 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM EST
                                                        VerbalBarb

                                                        DID YOU MISS ME?

                                                        No. And we won't when you're gone again.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.2 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:38 PM EST
                                                        ngp256

                                                        nope

                                                        • 4 votes
                                                        #26.3 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM EST
                                                        katrix

                                                        I really hope that dude gets some help.

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #26.4 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM EST
                                                        ombra

                                                        DID YOU MISS ME?

                                                        Congratulations on your soon to be banning.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.5 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:08 PM EST
                                                        VerbalBarb

                                                        Tyler sent him bye-bye at 10:54.

                                                        tyler

                                                        voiceofwarning banned, multiple of currently suspended Miguel Angel Tinoco Rodriguez, also banned. Don't register multiple accounts.

                                                        #11.1 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:54 AM MST

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #26.6 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:00 PM EST
                                                        Dennis P McCann

                                                        I guess he was right. The end was near.

                                                        • 8 votes
                                                        #26.7 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:05 PM EST
                                                        ombra

                                                        Maybe there is a God... :)

                                                        And his name is Tyler..

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.8 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:06 PM EST
                                                        katrix

                                                        One thing for sure, if he comes back again, he'll be by far the easiest re-reg to spot.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.9 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:10 PM EST
                                                        grump in NM

                                                        katrix, I was thinking the same thing.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.10 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:13 PM EST
                                                        gordy327

                                                        One thing for sure, if he comes back again, he'll be by far the easiest re-reg to spot.

                                                        He was the first time he came back. He even announced it. I give him a day, maybe 2 before the next rereg incarnation.

                                                        • 6 votes
                                                        #26.11 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:33 PM EST
                                                        katrix

                                                        Yeah, even without the "Did you miss me?" comment, it was impossible to miss.

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #26.12 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:39 PM EST
                                                        grump in NM

                                                        Miss him? That would be like missing a big boil on the end of your ___________. (fill in the blank).

                                                        • 5 votes
                                                        #26.13 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:44 PM EST
                                                        gordy327

                                                        Miss him? That would be like missing a big boil on the end of your ___________.

                                                        I miss the relief of popping that big boil at the end of my __________. LOL

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #26.14 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:49 PM EST
                                                        ngp256

                                                        Miss him? That would be like missing a big boil on the end of your ___________.

                                                        I miss the relief of popping that big boil at the end of my __________. LOL

                                                        ... dude Im eating lunch! lolololol ^_^

                                                          #26.15 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:42 PM EST
                                                          gordy327

                                                          dude Im eating lunch! lolololol ^_^

                                                          Oh, sorry. Maybe I should have posted a disclaimer first? :P

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #26.16 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:18 PM EST
                                                          VerbalBarb

                                                          I guess he was right. The end was near.

                                                          Too funny, Dennis. =0D

                                                          • 3 votes
                                                          #26.17 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:24 PM EST
                                                          zeugirboR oconiT legnA leugiMDeleted
                                                          Dennis P McCann

                                                          lol. Right. Spell your name backwards. That always works.

                                                          • 8 votes
                                                          #26.19 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:45 PM EST
                                                          ombra

                                                          Welcome to the Newsvine Home for the Mentally Ill.

                                                          • 6 votes
                                                          #26.20 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:04 PM EST
                                                          Dennis P McCann

                                                          Now with branches worldwide!

                                                          • 5 votes
                                                          #26.21 - Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:16 PM EST
                                                          gordy327

                                                          . Right. Spell your name backwards. That always works.

                                                          Persistent, isn't he?

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #26.22 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:22 AM EST
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